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David Pirinelli
MacVidCards has Mac EFI Titan and GTX780 finished - makes them into native OSX cards
on Aug 22, 2013 at 2:09:11 am

Hey, just saw the news about Redcine-X and think this is great timing.

We just yesterday finished EFI support for GTX Titan and GTX780.

The 780 works fine using internal power, Titan may require a little more.

We will be offering a mod service as buying these cards in numbers will be expensive.

Anyone in Hollywood can bring by for same day (2-4 hr) turnaround.

Requires Mac Pro 3,1 or later (4,1 preferred) and OSX 10.8.3 or later.

OpenCl support is not in OS yet but CUDA performance is incredible.

As a side benefit, cards will be enabled for full PCIE 2.0 support in Windows via bootcamp, if you are running an unflashed card in a MP, it will only run at PCIE 1.0 speeds unless modded.

We also now offer a GT640 as GUI card. Has 4 times speed of GT120 and can run 3 digital displays. (2 @ DVI 1 @ HDMI)

We are especially proud as this means that a 2012 Mac Pro can now be upgraded to BETTER GPUs then the yet-to-be-released Mac Pro iCan. (Pre-obsoleted)


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Laco Gaal
Re: MacVidCards has Mac EFI Titan and GTX780 finished - makes them into native OSX cards
on Aug 22, 2013 at 1:52:53 pm

David,

so the Titan is a no go internally?

thanks


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Joseph Owens
Re: MacVidCards has Mac EFI Titan and GTX780 finished - makes them into native OSX cards
on Aug 22, 2013 at 5:14:02 pm

I have one running natively in a MacPro 5,1 under OS 10.8.4, but it does require MORE POWER... especially if you are also running something else as the primary GPU for User Interface that requires supplemental energy. There won't be enough outputs on the motherboard to run both, and you will be stealing hard drive supplies. So there is a Seasonic power supply sitting on top of my MacPro with leads running through an open PCIe slot... [insert clip of Dr. Frankenstein screaming "It's ALIVE!!!!!" here ]

and needed to figure out "the paper clip" trick to get the external power supply to light up.

jPo

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andrew smith
Re: MacVidCards has Mac EFI Titan and GTX780 finished - makes them into native OSX cards
on Aug 23, 2013 at 4:22:57 am

What might I ask are you charging for this modification service? Can't we just flash the cards ourselves on a PC tower, I have come across articles that explain how to do it easily but have also heard its not that hard to do.

Maybe just save yourselves the trouble, ebay hassle for support and expense, just buy the stock pc version and deal with no boot screen.

I've used a standard stock GTX 5803gb, 6804gb and now Titan (w/ external PSU), all with no bootscreen on different macpro's, 3,4 & 5,1 and dont miss it! With OSX 10.9 there is supposed to be a bunch of new cards supported so it may even be completely irrelevant to have this done no?


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David Pirinelli
Re: MacVidCards has Mac EFI Titan and GTX780 finished - makes them into native OSX cards
on Aug 23, 2013 at 4:47:10 am

Some people like bootscreens, let's you leave out a GUI card if short on slots.

Also, on a 3,1 Mac Pro, any and all non-EFI cards run at 1/2 bus speed in OSX and Windows. You can see this easily in CUDA-Z. (or use lspci)

On a 4,1 and 5,1 the 10.8.3 and later drivers fix the bus speed in OSX but have no effect in WIndows, still 1/2 bus speed. So if you ever cross boot into Windows you will work at PCIE 1.0 speed.

If these things don't affect or concern you, sounds like regular cards will work out well for you.

As far as flashing one yourself, the 780 and Titan are not DIY like a 680 is.


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Neil Sadwelkar
Re: MacVidCards has Mac EFI Titan and GTX780 finished - makes them into native OSX cards
on Aug 23, 2013 at 7:11:15 am

Isn't the GT640 a dual slot card? What's the replacement for the GT120 which is also single slot? So that one can fit the Titan in Slot 1, GUI card in Slot 2 and have two slots available for a Blackmagic and some other, maybe SAS.

Also, how well do these (Titan/GTX780) cards work in a PCI expander?

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David Pirinelli
Re: MacVidCards has Mac EFI Titan and GTX780 finished - makes them into native OSX cards
on Aug 24, 2013 at 5:14:59 am

We have single slot 640s, awesome little card.

Have 3 more coming in on Monday.


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Neil Sadwelkar
Re: MacVidCards has Mac EFI Titan and GTX780 finished - makes them into native OSX cards
on Aug 30, 2013 at 6:30:59 am

Can you link to the single slot 640? Or is it on your ebay page?

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David Pirinelli
GT640 as EFI GUI
on Aug 30, 2013 at 9:09:50 am

http://www.ebay.com/itm/261274049749?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p398...

It can run 3 digital displays at once.

Quite an improvement over GT120.

BTW, we are about to close for 1 week.

Friday the 30th will be out last day open until September 9th.


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Margus Voll
Re: MacVidCards has Mac EFI Titan and GTX780 finished - makes them into native OSX cards
on Aug 23, 2013 at 4:59:23 pm

So 780 also runs as a pc version but only win is limited?

I'm Asking as i'm far from LA and double delivery would be a bit much maybe.

I have Daves 470 running really nice now.

How does the titan and 780 compare ?

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David Pirinelli
Re: MacVidCards has Mac EFI Titan and GTX780 finished - makes them into native OSX cards
on Aug 24, 2013 at 5:32:05 am

780 blows 680 out of the water, especially in CUDA area

I will be sending Barefeats a tester unit and he will post independent benchmarks.

I can tell you this, I ran a quick After Effects Ray Trace test from MR and here are some basic numbers that give you an idea:

GTX 480 7:01
GTX 580 6:22
GTX 680 7:08
GTX 770 6:44
GTX 570 6:55
GTX 780 4:37
GTX Titan 4:03

In 10.8.4 there is still no OpenCl support but it is present in Betas of 10.9.

I imagine that Resolve numbers will follow similar pattern.

Ideally someone in LA will grab one from me next week and post there independent results.

I have business in Bay area from Sep 1-7 so I will only do a few cards next week and let the word spread before I return from up north. Will get one or both to Barefeats before I go as well.


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Margus Voll
Re: MacVidCards has Mac EFI Titan and GTX780 finished - makes them into native OSX cards
on Aug 24, 2013 at 5:34:43 am

Could i get in touch with you somehow if i would like to "preorder" one?

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Parke Gregg
Re: MacVidCards has Mac EFI Titan and GTX780 finished - makes them into native OSX cards
on Sep 28, 2013 at 5:14:41 pm

Joseph, how is that Titan working out in your Mac? By "running natively", do you mean without the EFI mod, or native OSx drivers, or...? What kind of pros/cons have you experienced? I'm thinking about jumping to the Titan as well, but a little concerned that I may be pushing the boundaries of reliability for a studio machine.

Thanks -
- Parke


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Clark Bierbaum
Re: MacVidCards has Mac EFI Titan and GTX780 finished - makes them into native OSX cards
on Aug 23, 2013 at 11:33:03 pm

Any bench marks, using standard candle?

I have a non-flashed 680 Classified and wonder how much faster a flashed/un-flashed EVGA GeForce GTX TITAN SuperClocked Signature 6GB is compared to the rest.

Interested in the new RED Cine that uses GPU, talked to the developer at NAB and they said they were writing for GPU.

Not a RED Fan Boy (Love Alexa!) but the Dragon footage I have seen looks really nice and I want to be ready if folks start shooting it.

I have used several MacVid Cards in the past and they all worked great, unflashed 680 works as well but no boot / shutdown is a little disconcerting.

MacVidCard, flashing prices for a Titan I purchase?

Clark Bierbaum
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Jonathon Lee
Re: MacVidCards has Mac EFI Titan and GTX780 finished - makes them into native OSX cards
on Aug 24, 2013 at 12:08:06 am

Hey David,

I bought my last 2 Nvidia GPU's from you. They've been flawless. So you are saying a 780 will work on a 5,1 MacPro with internal power? I have a 5,1 and a 4,1... so both are OK? Can I use the 2 6-pin power ports or do I also need to use power from one of the drive slots?

thanks,

Jonathon


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Clark Bierbaum
Re: MacVidCards has Mac EFI Titan and GTX780 finished - makes them into native OSX cards
on Aug 24, 2013 at 1:26:50 am

Please don't blow your Mac Power Supply / Mother Board by drawing too much power!

I have http://tinyurl.com/ljza6hd and it works great!

Get this for any non-mac gpu's and save yourself a headache!

No affiliation or remuneration, just happy to insure my 5.1 mac pro's long term health!

Clark Bierbaum
Color Grading / Post Consultant
GarnetColor.com
Charlotte, NC


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Robert Ober
Re: MacVidCards has Mac EFI Titan and GTX780 finished - makes them into native OSX cards
on Nov 4, 2013 at 2:28:10 pm

Hey Folks,

The FSP Group drive bay power supply is no longer.available. Anybody find another good one? The only other one I found is only 220w or so.

Thanks in advance,
Robert A. Ober


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David Pirinelli
Re: MacVidCards has Mac EFI Titan and GTX780 finished - makes them into native OSX cards
on Aug 24, 2013 at 5:34:49 am

I have been running 780 from internal power on a 3,1 with Dual Quad 3.2 and in my experience it has weaker PSU than 4,1/5,1.

Tonight I am going to try both cards in 12 Core 5,1 (Dual 3.3 Hex 5680s) and see how internal power holds up.

My feeling is that Titan will require external power unless down clocked and undervolted. The test I use in 3,1 is Furmark for OSX. If a card draws too much power it will shut the entire machine down during the test with a rather loud CLICK from power supply.

I have run it with 780 and it got through to the end. Will be doing some graphics intense stuff tonight. Have to finish 2nd Titan ROM to test card. My "other half" of software team has 1st Titan but he is in St. Petersburg and uses external power in a 3,1 for it.


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Juan Salvo
Re: MacVidCards has Mac EFI Titan and GTX780 finished - makes them into native OSX cards
on Aug 24, 2013 at 7:18:26 am

"Shutdown" is too gentle a term. And I've seen people confused by this. To clarify, when you overload your MacPro power supply, it drops dead. As if you'd pulled out the power cord. No warning, no graceful exit. Just rug out from under. If you were committing a write operation to discs at that moment it would almost certainly be an issue. And eventually you could fail components in your box. So let David test this for you. Don't run a system which exhibits this behavior.

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Margus Voll
Re: MacVidCards has Mac EFI Titan and GTX780 finished - makes them into native OSX cards
on Aug 24, 2013 at 7:46:22 am

I agree on that with Juan.

Tested out solution is way better than killing your machine.

I have Daves 470 in my box and it still live and well and never bogged down.

This is what you want about your machine if you are serious about it.

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Paul Provost
Re: MacVidCards has Mac EFI Titan and GTX780 finished - makes them into native OSX cards
on Aug 25, 2013 at 6:02:28 am

David, did you put the x5680s in yourself?

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David Pirinelli
Re: MacVidCards has Mac EFI Titan and GTX780 finished - makes them into native OSX cards
on Aug 25, 2013 at 6:21:08 am

I did, it wasn't fun but it worked.

I ran the 4,1 to 5,1 patch and bought 3 @ 8 GB 1333Mhz RAM sticks

I got the 5680s used on Ebay for $750/each.

Much easier putting a 3690 in a Quad Core, as there is almost no way to mess it up.


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Paul Provost
Re: MacVidCards has Mac EFI Titan and GTX780 finished - makes them into native OSX cards
on Aug 25, 2013 at 4:01:20 pm

That's a pretty good price. They were lower a few months ago than they are today right? I'm toying with the idea of upgrading my 2012 12 core which only has 2.4s in it. What was the biggest bummer of doing it?

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David Pirinelli
Re: MacVidCards has Mac EFI Titan and GTX780 finished - makes them into native OSX cards
on Aug 27, 2013 at 1:04:26 am

Paul, the biggest drag for me is no problem at all for you, I have a 4,1, so I had to deal with lidless vs lidded CPUs.

For you, having the long handled 3mm wrench and thermal paste is only thing to worry about.

I got an Elkind 3mm wrench for like $8 on Amazon, took 1 day as the tool co was here in CA.

It is literally 100% easier on a real 5,1.


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Paul Provost
Re: MacVidCards has Mac EFI Titan and GTX780 finished - makes them into native OSX cards
on Aug 27, 2013 at 1:10:22 am

David,
Ah so that lidded cpu thing changed in the 2012 5,1? did not know that. thought it was all mac pro...
cool and thanks for the wrench tip!

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Margus Voll
Re: MacVidCards has Mac EFI Titan and GTX780 finished - makes them into native OSX cards
on Aug 26, 2013 at 9:32:04 am

Did you get Titan stable with external power on 5.1 ?

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David Pirinelli
Re: MacVidCards has Mac EFI Titan and GTX780 finished - makes them into native OSX cards
on Aug 27, 2013 at 1:24:34 am

OK, spent weekend testing.

Sad to say, the Titan is probably NOT going to be an internal powered card as is.

I am going to try some things with other power connectors inside.

Fortunately I have a 5,1 MP that I killed #1 slot in from testing cards. So I can put Titan in slot 2 and if I blow up machine, so be it.

I have ordered 3 licenses for "Hardware Montior" as it should display current draw.

Let me just say this, my current "does it draw too much" test is Furmark from "GPUTest_GUI"

Even with a GTX570 it is possible to kill my 3,1 by running this at full screen.

The 780 has completed ever run, never a hiccup.

When I loaded it up with Titan, as soon as it got to place where it should start rendering the screen, the 4,1/5,1 clicked off. Never even started the process, just gave up at open.

Which is odd because the cards are similar with titan having more shader units and obviously TWICE the GDDR5 to power.

I spent hours playing Crysis 3 and Dishonored. I used 780 & Titan internally powered and neither one ever had any issues.

But the combination of it quitting Furmark and a thread I read here at CC make me believe that additional power is going to be only long term answer. There is a thread here where someone was running a Titan and it would periodically KILL the entire machine when pressed.

I am unable to make machines have issue with GTX780 so I am going to cautiously ship a couple of the first orders.

The Titans I will continue to list as "External Power Only" until I can find a safe, reliable way to power them.

The pity is that nobody has ever made a PCIE slot power extractor. There is 75 watts run to each PCIE slot. That happens to be the amount we need to make Titan stable.

When I return from Bay area trip, I am going to see about putting together a kit with 2 @ Titans or 780s along with the ODD Booster X5 power supply, along with needed bits and an install manual.

Not exactly Turn-Key, but it will offer a way to end up with a Mac Pro running more CUDA horsepower then can easily be imagined.


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Margus Voll
Re: MacVidCards has Mac EFI Titan and GTX780 finished - makes them into native OSX cards
on Aug 27, 2013 at 4:28:47 am

Sounds like a plan!

I have never considered Titan on internal power as if you push it you would kill the machine.

Ola had real problems when pushing it on render. Look the thread here:

http://liftgammagain.com/forum/index.php?threads/titan-in-mac-pro-2010.1497...

I'm thinking of going to Titan route but wonder if it will be stable with lets say external 850W psu.

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Robert Due
Re: MacVidCards has Mac EFI Titan and GTX780 finished - makes them into native OSX cards
on Aug 27, 2013 at 8:10:03 pm

Would the Titan work in a Cubix?

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Margus Voll
Re: MacVidCards has Mac EFI Titan and GTX780 finished - makes them into native OSX cards
on Aug 27, 2013 at 8:15:08 pm

They say even 3 Titans but i'm not sure if internally with external psu.

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David Pirinelli
Re: MacVidCards has Mac EFI Titan and GTX780 finished - makes them into native OSX cards
on Aug 28, 2013 at 6:17:08 am

GTX780 makes great internal powered card.

I have purchased a couple licenses for "Hardware Monitor" Pro version.

I have found that GTX780 is within 10 watts of GTX570 during After Effects render.

It is 20 Watts BELOW GTX570 if running Furmark in OSX.

GTX780 with or without a GT640 EFI GUI is going to be new best setup for Resolve for those w/o expander.


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andrew smith
Re: MacVidCards has Mac EFI Titan and GTX780 finished - makes them into native OSX cards
on Aug 30, 2013 at 11:56:05 am

Quick question about macro 5,1 GUI options if also planning to use Cubix w/ Titans.

We currently have the 580 3gb standard evga PC Card in a macpro 5,1 and are planning to get a Cubix and put 3-4 Titans in there depending on what 10.9 osx can handle. We are wondering if that 580 is ok to leave in as the GUI or if it is advisable to for example replace with the 680 2gb or 4gb version - not flashed. How much of a difference would those make? Also if the Cubix is being used in our other davinci room will I miss the 3gb on the 580 if I replace with then 680 2gb card?

On 10.8.4 or 10.9 does having cards flashed for Mac effect performance or is it now just about boot screen?


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andrew smith
Re: MacVidCards has Mac EFI Titan and GTX780 finished - makes them into native OSX cards
on Sep 7, 2013 at 12:53:31 pm

Dave or anyone else here have some thoughts on this?

Flashed vs. non-flashed?

5803GB vs. 6802GB for GUI if planning to get Cubix and use 3-4 Titans?

Thanks
Andrew


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David Pirinelli
"Crazy Fast"
on Sep 13, 2013 at 9:33:18 pm

http://www.barefeats.com/gputitan.html

Sadly he didn't include a Resolve test this time, but you can use the CUDA scores to get an idea. 1 Titan = 2 @ 680. Helps cut down on cards needed.

580 vs 680 for GUI?

Wow, I doubt you will notice a huge difference, but you will probably find 580 a touch faster. The one we sell for internal power use has been detuned a bit from the ones Rob tests (He tests the "Classified" version)


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andrew smith
Re: "Crazy Fast"
on Sep 17, 2013 at 6:09:34 pm

ok great thanks dave.


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Eric Fiegehen
Re: MacVidCards has Mac EFI Titan and GTX780 finished - makes them into native OSX cards
on Oct 16, 2013 at 12:04:53 am

Yes, 2-4 Titans per Xpander Desktop unit depending upon Xpander model. Also, since there's less power draw then a GTX 690, no need for upgraded power supply (1200W runs about $300+ less expensive than the 1500W models)

Eric Fiegehen
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Chad Terpstra
Re: MacVidCards has Mac EFI Titan and GTX780 finished - makes them into native OSX cards
on Oct 25, 2013 at 2:09:48 pm

What is the website to Mac Vid Cards? Otherwise what's the best place to buy a GTX780?


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Matthew Von Stetten
Re: MacVidCards has Mac EFI Titan and GTX780 finished - makes them into native OSX cards
on Oct 26, 2013 at 3:43:59 am

Hey David, do you offer flashing services for ATI cards?


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Chad Terpstra
Re: MacVidCards has Mac EFI Titan and GTX780 finished - makes them into native OSX cards
on Oct 28, 2013 at 3:12:54 pm

I found the Macvidcards ebay store. http://www.ebay.com/usr/macvidcards

Follow up question would be is this still safe power-wise in a system running a Red Rocket, Black magic Decklink and Fiber network card? I wasn't sure if everything added up or if the 6-pin power connectors were totally separate. Just want to be sure. Thanks. :-)


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