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Jordan Mena
Resolve 10
on Jun 19, 2013 at 7:33:52 pm

Anyone else going to the FCPLUG meet in LA tonight to check out the Resolve 10 Demo?

Jordan Mena | Editor | Colorist | Producer
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Andy Winter
Re: Resolve 10
on Jun 20, 2013 at 2:36:41 pm

how has it been? :)


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Jordan Mena
Re: Resolve 10
on Jun 20, 2013 at 4:13:08 pm

Pretty cool. Alexis Van Hurkman showed off some of the new features in 10. Multiple windows to match color over different shots. Some essential editing tools new to Resolve, which will make a lot of people happy. The UI looks really nice and streamlined. The best part are the new mask features and plugin support. Makes me wish I had it on my current gig.

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Ryan Holmes
Re: Resolve 10
on Jun 20, 2013 at 8:34:00 pm

Any release date information?

I'm really looking forward to this software release.

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Jordan Mena
Re: Resolve 10
on Jun 20, 2013 at 9:57:13 pm

Q3, whatever that means.

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Ryan Holmes
Re: Resolve 10
on Jun 20, 2013 at 10:33:24 pm

[Jordan Mena] "Q3, whatever that means."

July - September is Quarter 3 for businesses. They have historically released updates to DaVinci in June and July the last few years. I'm hoping for July, but between their camera releases and major updates to DaVinci, and their newly development products they do have their plates pretty full right now!

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Margus Voll
Re: Resolve 10
on Jun 21, 2013 at 11:25:56 am

Any word on performance on new mac pro ?

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Ryan Holmes
Re: Resolve 10
on Jun 21, 2013 at 1:39:06 pm

[Margus Voll] "Any word on performance on new mac pro ?"

I'm assuming you mean performance in relation to DaVinci Resolve on the new Mac Pro....Grant Petty posted on the Blackmagic forums immediately after the Apple announcement:

"I think this new MacPro is amazing and those 2 GPUs are incredibly powerful. I am not sure what I can say however there is a whole new OpenCL and DaVinci Resolve 10 is having lots of performance work done to integrate it and its really really fast. Those GPUs are very high performance and each GPU has lots of graphics memory so this is the Mac we have been waiting for! We have lots of Thunderbolt products too so video in and out is taken care of.

Overall we could not be happier!"

http://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=8898

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Margus Voll
Re: Resolve 10
on Jun 21, 2013 at 1:46:29 pm

Yes i have read that.

Was just wondering if any details mentioned more.

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Ryan Holmes
Re: Resolve 10
on Jun 21, 2013 at 1:48:05 pm

No...we won't know anything until Apple ships the tube. Anybody who is testing a new Mac Pro is certainly under NDA and is not legally allowed to comment publicly about it in any detailed way.

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Margus Voll
Re: Resolve 10
on Jun 21, 2013 at 1:53:40 pm

Of course.

I know NDA stuff :D

Sometimes someone just stumbles on some sentence with
different meanings. This is the on i was referring :)

And we probably have to wait until first machines will ship and
credible people test them out and compare to current machines and GPU's.

On paper it looks promising.

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Paul King
Re: Resolve 10
on Jun 22, 2013 at 9:53:08 am

If those GPUs are so powerful (really they're just off the self products) then why haven't we been using them before Apple implemented them in the new Mac Pro?

It smells of pandering to Apple and the decisions they make for their hardware. Right now Davinci think the Nvidia is the most powerful solution. Apple go the AMD route and all of a sudden Davinci are singing the praises. I know who has the better track record of GPU performance and I also know how Apple behave when it comes to their hardware suppliers. Nvidia wouldn't put up with Apple's crap so the Mac Pro ends up with AMD cards.

Really AMD should tell Apple the deal includes their CPUs as well.



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Margus Voll
Re: Resolve 10
on Jun 22, 2013 at 10:26:15 am

But if it would work fast should we care who made it ?

I mean with the app we use for work there is the result what interest us?

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Joakim Ziegler
Re: Resolve 10
on Jun 26, 2013 at 9:24:45 am

Very likely Apple and BMD have cooperated to bring support for the new and improved OpenCL to Resolve 10. That's why you haven't been using them before.

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Paul King
Re: Resolve 10
on Jun 26, 2013 at 9:35:26 am

My point was if Open CL was the right direction, why does it require Apple to bring out new hardware before developing it?



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Margus Voll
Re: Resolve 10
on Jun 26, 2013 at 9:41:44 am

In the other hand why should apple bring new tech out without product ?

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Paul King
Re: Resolve 10
on Jun 26, 2013 at 10:13:48 am

It's not Apple tech. Apple did not develop any of this technology, they simply implemented it. They did so after it was long available on the PC. So why should Davinci change gears just because Apple decide not to go Nvidia?



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Margus Voll
Re: Resolve 10
on Jun 26, 2013 at 10:16:25 am

But when it would work super fast should we care ?

Time will tell but there may be good thing coming as Apple tends to optimise its
tech as on consumer devices.

Less heat more efficiency.

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Joakim Ziegler
Re: Resolve 10
on Jun 26, 2013 at 6:09:58 pm

Apple usually comes out with new hardware along with new software.

In general, I'd say, OpenCL is probably the right way to go on all platforms and GPUs. It's an open standard, it's also supported on NVidia GPUs (indeed, NVidia is part of the OpenCL consortium) and others, and it'll make more sense than CUDA for anyone wanting to abstract away more hardware.

This is one of those cases where faster hardware will make more general and higher-abstraction standards make sense. As CPUs got faster, we moved from assembly language to C to C++ and now to things like Java, C#, etc. They're not quite as efficient, but we gained a lot of programmer productivity, which in the long run makes more sense. I predict the same thing will happen with a transition from CUDA to OpenCL. OpenCL doesn't need to be quite as efficient, just in the same ballpark.

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Paul King
Re: Resolve 10
on Jun 27, 2013 at 2:47:31 am

That's all fine.

My point is that Apple's choice in hardware should not dictate software development.

OpenCL and any hardware Apple are running were long available before the release of the new Mac Pro. So if those platforms were better for software development, then they should be implemented, regardless of what Apple do and their general tardiness to update their hardware.

What Apple have released in the Mac Pro is old news.



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Margus Voll
Re: Resolve 10
on Jun 27, 2013 at 5:43:48 am

If i remember correctly it was Opencl 2 ?

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Joakim Ziegler
Re: Resolve 10
on Jun 28, 2013 at 2:40:27 am

The whole point is that there's a new version of OpenCL coming in Mavericks, at roughly the same time as the new Mac Pro. Old (current) OpenCL is not particularly good, new OpenCL is (according to people who have used it) vastly more efficient.

And what hardware Apple chooses to make available on their platforms has always dictated software development on MacOS. That's old news.

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