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andrew smith
How to achieve this look?
on Jun 5, 2013 at 4:23:26 pm







Curious to get some opinions on how best to achieve the looks in this video with Resolve.
Thank you


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Laco Gaal
Re: How to achieve this look?
on Jun 5, 2013 at 5:35:28 pm

What if you download this video, export stills from it, and bring them as a reference into Davinci?
I'm sure that you will be able to match it, if not, check the vectorscope/waveform/parade.


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Eric Hansen
Re: How to achieve this look?
on Jun 5, 2013 at 5:41:02 pm

it looks like it was shot on 16mm with zoom lenses (like Angeniuex 12-120) to achieve the snap zooms, and a Angenieux 5.9 or Kinoptik 5.7 for the primes. the daytime stuff is possibly Ektachrome reversal stock, but most likely Vision2 or Vision3 negative. The night stuff is probably 500T negative.

there's definitely a de-sat, lifted black, almost metallic thing going on. some of the look is most likely from the telecine (keeping things flat) and then tweaked a bit in correction. it looks like ungraded telecine because there's a general cast to the shots (some daytime stuff is brown, night stuff is green or blue, no contrast) it wouldn't be that tough to achieve this look if you shot film.

if you shot it on RED, it would be a different story because a lot of the look comes from the size of 16mm and the lenses.

i would lift the blacks and then use the shadows control (and a bit of the midtones) to change the whole look of the image. this achieves the "ungraded film" look. at least that has been my experience from running my own Super8 telecine and grading it. you have to look at it 2 ways - you have the image you want and the film that it's on. in most cases i would try to take the film out of the equation and get to grading the image. here, you want to do the opposite. most people find it easiest to buy film packs and apply them as a filter. if you do that, do a balance color correction of the footage to make it look good on its own, then apply the filter, then tweak in a final node to get the exact look you want. you might need to lift the blacks before applying the filter to make sure the filter doesn't raise crushed blacks. it looks like for the daytime there's a simple brown filter and the nighttime has a blue or green filter - the casts i mentioned above. but it's mixed up, which is cool.

if i'm wrong here, and this was shot on RED or similar, i would also be very interested in how they achieved this look.

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Eric Hansen
Production Workflow Designer / Consultant / Colorist / DIT
http://www.erichansen.tv


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Nate Weaver
Re: How to achieve this look?
on Jun 5, 2013 at 5:56:12 pm

When I see stuff like this, the first thought of course is lifted blacks, but you also have to consider that the noise floor of the film and/or digital camera was clipped out somewhere along the line, either on purpose or by accident (in this case, most surely on purpose, even if shot on 16)

I go to the Soft Clip panel, and start clipping up the blacks, but leave a 0 or very low "Soft Clip". On the scopes a clip like this would be about 10-15IRE. You can change the tint of the clipped blacks by un-ganging the sliders. Then add black and gain washes in a node after.

Nate Weaver
Director/D.P., Los Angeles
http://www.nateweaver.net


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Juan Salvo
Re: How to achieve this look?
on Jun 5, 2013 at 6:19:25 pm

I'm willing to bet this wasn't shot on film.

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Nate Weaver
Re: How to achieve this look?
on Jun 5, 2013 at 6:25:21 pm

There's some giveaways, not the least of which overcranking in about zero light.

500 speed 16mm pushed to 1000 or more is soft enough to see even on web video.

Nate Weaver
Director/D.P., Los Angeles
http://www.nateweaver.net


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Rick Turners
Re: How to achieve this look?
on Jun 5, 2013 at 8:43:38 pm

It looks like it has lifted blacks that are clipped, then some color pushed into the shadows.

I was playing with this the other day.. how can I clip the blacks? I was trying to just lift the blacks using the curves/lift control and it was just lifting it and giving me more shadow detail, not giving it that lifted & clipped look.


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Nate Weaver
Re: How to achieve this look?
on Jun 5, 2013 at 10:51:58 pm



Nate Weaver
Director/D.P., Los Angeles
http://www.nateweaver.net


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Andy Winter
Re: How to achieve this look?
on Jun 5, 2013 at 11:25:42 pm

hmmm... due to the fact that the blacks are clipping sooner than the highlights (combined with some shots that have small white random dots) i would guess that it was shot on film and afterwards a telecine was done (no scan, so the underexposed stuff is lacking black detail).

but it could also be a good fake. somehow a dirty but cool style...


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andrew smith
Re: How to achieve this look?
on Jun 6, 2013 at 3:39:06 am

Thank you for all of the feedback, really appreciate your time and insight.

Nate you went above and beyond man thank you.


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Eric Hansen
Re: How to achieve this look?
on Jun 6, 2013 at 3:20:48 pm

Thanks Nate. That's a trick I have yet to try

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Eric Hansen
Production Workflow Designer / Consultant / Colorist / DIT
http://www.erichansen.tv


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Nate Weaver
Re: How to achieve this look?
on Jun 7, 2013 at 2:06:09 am

As I get bored with ultra clean looking modern cameras, I often sit down for extended spells to do the most convincing bad telecine/vintage 16/35 looks I can come up with. Spent a LOT of time doing that :-)

Nate Weaver
Director/D.P., Los Angeles
http://www.nateweaver.net


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Ronen Pestes
Re: How to achieve this look?
on Jun 8, 2013 at 4:56:11 am

By far, one of the most interesting threads here.

Keep it coming guys.

Ronen


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brandon thomas
Re: How to achieve this look?
on Jun 9, 2013 at 11:58:08 pm

Surprisingly.. Super 16.

http://agenceapicorp.com/directors-of-photography/nicolas-loir


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Juan Salvo
Re: How to achieve this look?
on Jun 10, 2013 at 12:27:29 am

Well I stand corrected. In my defense, I couldn't seem to see this thing in the resolution that everyone else could... was there some trick? The link to me looked like 480P.

Colorist | Online Editor | Post Super | VFX Artist | BD Author

http://JuanSalvo.com


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Eric Hansen
Re: How to achieve this look?
on Jun 10, 2013 at 3:28:41 am

woohoo, I guessed it! Juan, you owe me a beer. :)

But I'm definitely going to give Nate's suggestions a whirl on my next session.

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Eric Hansen
Production Workflow Designer / Consultant / Colorist / DIT
http://www.erichansen.tv


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Joseph Owens
Re: How to achieve this look?
on Jun 11, 2013 at 3:49:47 pm

[brandon thomas] "Surprisingly.. Super 16."

Which I have seen either tack-sharp to the extent of *why would you bother with 35?* or *OMG, was the lens loose in the mount*? Which wouldn't be too dissimilar to a swing-tilt.

Anyway, this discussion is sort of orbiting around another thread on another forum regarding production methods and art:
http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/06/06/the-reclusive-peeping-tom-photogra...

For a super-grungy look, I recall transferring a thousand feet of low-speed B&W that was hand-processed in a bucket. For a skateboard video, what else? No, definitely not a shampoo commercial for dolly-bird who is "worth it".

So, there is no genre, no matter how "edgy" and "attitude" that eventually doesn't succumb to its own clich├ęs.

And then we get Audra McDonald dropping the mike at the end of the Tony Awards on Sunday night. Was that really appropriate? Or "art?"

jPo

"I always pass on free advice -- its never of any use to me" Oscar Wilde.


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Robert Ober
Re: How to achieve this look?
on Jun 11, 2013 at 3:43:20 am

Personally, this notalentwannabe hopes people don't imitate this look. We are STILL enduring shaky cam, movies and stills that are too vivid and sharpened, and superfluous lens flares.

Now we have to endure stuff that resembles log not graded.

ARRRRRRRGH!!

Oh, and green inside shots that take us out of the story.

Surely there is an old saying about crap imitating art.

Learnin' from y'all and appreciating it,
Robert A. Ober


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