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Nedeem Al-Astrabadi
Upgrading a Grading suite, 2 grading monitors?
on Mar 25, 2013 at 10:51:31 am

We're up grading our grading suite to a larger, more comfortable space with room for a larger monitor- most likely a 42" plasma. I want to keep my Sony OLED as my grading monitor so what's the best way to set up the plasma as a client monitor? I'm thinking HD SDI with a splitter somewhere in there, but are there any issues with degrading the signal between the two monitors, or are there any other suggestions?

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Joseph Owens
Re: Upgrading a Grading suite, 2 grading monitors?
on Mar 25, 2013 at 4:49:30 pm

[Nedeem Al-Astrabadi] "what's the best way to set up the plasma as a client monitor? I'm thinking HD SDI with a splitter somewhere in there, but are there any issues with degrading the signal between the two monitors,"

If you allow your client to see both, you will find yourself in a constant negotiation between the two.
So, it will be fine if you can see both, but not if anyone else in the room can. Usually, I see the arrangement where the colorist is behind the client, who is in a "viewing area" that is somewhat cinema-like, and is the reasonable viewing distance from the larger pleasure screen. You should not think of the plasma as anything like a grading monitor, so long as it is "close" to the actual grade monitor in values. After a while you will see how it is dancing to the beat of its own drummer.

As far as "splitting" the feed, you can investigate the Blackmagic HDLink device, and of course, the Decklink Extreme3D itself has a daughter card that offers simultaneous HDMI output.

I have a remote operation dedicated to a specific production that employs this arrangement. We had to wrestle that plasma to the ground and threaten it with its life to get it to behave. Shut all the "consumer" gak off first, or you will never see the truth.

jPo

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Dan Moran
Re: Upgrading a Grading suite, 2 grading monitors?
on Mar 25, 2013 at 6:23:31 pm

If you want to grab a beer sometime I can give you a run down of all the options I've found. We could even invite horrobin if he's not going to cause trouble :)

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Nedeem Al-Astrabadi
Re: Upgrading a Grading suite, 2 grading monitors?
on Mar 25, 2013 at 9:52:31 pm

Thanks Joseph, that's the exact set up we're looking at. HDMI sounds like a good option, but there's an added complication that the suite might be used as a Smoke Mac suite. I know nothing about Smoke, can it output through the HDMI of the Decklink card?

Cheers Dan, that sounds good, I'll let you know when I'm in Soho next, might be the end of the week.

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Joseph Owens
Re: Upgrading a Grading suite, 2 grading monitors?
on Mar 26, 2013 at 8:23:18 pm

Looks like you are already getting advice on another forum, but this is what I have learned: Smoke, for the moment, doesn't port to Blackmagic, but it can output via AJA Kona and Thunderbolt. Unfortunately, Resolve doesn't port to AJA, and I don't see the point of Thunderbolt.

Blackmagic used to support Extended Desktop, but OpenGL conflicts caused them to remove that feature a couple of years ago. Mostly to end the confusion with trying to boot Apple COLOR, but that argument may have been mooted.

jPo

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Margus Voll
Re: Upgrading a Grading suite, 2 grading monitors?
on Mar 27, 2013 at 5:28:20 am

Hi.

I agree with Joseph that plasma is really tricky option if you need to have really precise
client monitor. If budget would allow i would go with 47 inch grade one instead like
Penta offers.

But that is just what i would do.

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Nedeem Al-Astrabadi
Re: Upgrading a Grading suite, 2 grading monitors?
on Mar 27, 2013 at 11:23:17 am

Thanks Joseph, it looks like we might have to fit both cards in if we're going to do this then!
I'm aware of the drawbacks of the plasma as I've graded on one for a few years, which is why I want to keep the OLED as my primary grading monitor. I think we'll have to make do with what we can in our budget.
I hadn't heard of the Penta monitors before, Margus, do you grade on one?

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Margus Voll
Re: Upgrading a Grading suite, 2 grading monitors?
on Mar 27, 2013 at 3:47:15 pm

Hi.

Yes i use 24" one.

They have up to 55 grade one as you can see here:

http://www.hd2line.com/products/hd2line-pro/

What i like is that they have Lightspace integration in monitor and no lutbox needed.
Just plug in your sdi 3g and boom. 10 / 12 bit 444 is license thing. Hardware can do it by default
but you need the option to use it what is basically firmware update.

I love 24" model that i'm using.

This is actually what factory guy told me if i wanted to have accurate
client panel then i should toss out my plasma.

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Margus

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DaVinci 9, OSX 10.7.4
MacPro 5.1 2x2,93 24GB
GTX 470 / Quadro 4000
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Joseph Owens
Re: Upgrading a Grading suite, 2 grading monitors?
on Mar 27, 2013 at 4:01:18 pm

[Nedeem Al-Astrabadi] " it looks like we might have to fit both cards in if we're going to do this then!"

Apparently it is possible to run both a Decklink and a Kona in a frame, but if I recall the thread correctly, it utilized a "dual boot" which is not the apotheosis of convenience.

Something to consider (if the OLED doesn't support multiple inputs) is something like the Flanders' line, which has a back plane that is almost 'anything in'... SDI, RGB, DVI, composite.... "A"-in would be your Dcklink, and "B"-in would be your GPU/desktop.

jPo

Ha, ha, I wrote "B"-in... groovy, baby.

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