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Michael Holmes
Anybody successfully updated CUDA driver on Mountain Lion with GTX 570 card?
on Jan 23, 2013 at 3:11:07 am

I am running Mountain Lion (10.8.2) on a dual quad core Mac Pro.
I have a Cubix Desktop 4 PCIe expander which houses an NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 card, among other cards.
I use primarily FCPX, DaVinci Resolve, and After Effects.

I bought the 570 card in September, based in no small part on the success members here have had with it in speeding up processing.

I have been trying unsuccessfully for three days to update the CUDA driver. If you want all the gory details, I detailed every step I took in this thread, as well as all the responses (go to my very long last post):
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4731106

I have no idea if the model of card I have is causing the problem.
(Did NVIDIA insert the line "If 570 card, start random errors"?)
But I do know that the 570 has ensured I can't get any help from NVIDIA. They sent me a terse reply (exact quote) to my technical request that said:

"Sorry but as of now there are only few cards that is supported with Mac OSX
GeForce 8800 GT
GeForce GTX 285
Quadro FX 4800
Quadro 4000
As the card is not recommended it would difficult for find the root cause."

Thanks a lot for the help.

Questions:
(1) Has anyone successfully updated the CUDA driver running Mountain Lion and using a 570 card?
(2) If not, what is the best currently-supported card, regardless of the brand?

Man, these kinds of things should be simple.


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Juan Salvo
Re: Anybody successfully updated CUDA driver on Mountain Lion with GTX 570 card?
on Jan 23, 2013 at 3:19:02 am

Yes. Works fine. Running 580s, 690s, 480s all in ml. You don't need to install drivers. 10.8 has "magic" drivers built in.

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Michael Holmes
Re: Anybody successfully updated CUDA driver on Mountain Lion with GTX 570 card?
on Jan 23, 2013 at 3:50:57 am

Juan,
So, you are saying that Apple has built in the latest CUDA driver in Mountain Lion 10.8, so I never have to worry about updating it?
This is new, right? Man, I don't know why someone didn't tell me this at the Apple OSX Mountain Lion Forum. You are on top of the technology, Juan. Thank you!


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Juan Salvo
Re: Anybody successfully updated CUDA driver on Mountain Lion with GTX 570 card?
on Jan 23, 2013 at 4:24:08 am

Sorry the drivers are the card drivers not the CUDA drivers. CUDA software still requires seperate install, but resolve does that itself, and updates are through system preferences pane.

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Michael Holmes
Re: Anybody successfully updated CUDA driver on Mountain Lion with GTX 570 card?
on Jan 23, 2013 at 4:45:43 am

Juan,
It would dazzle me if Resolve does all the steps needed to install a CUDA update. For example, Mountain Lion doesn't include gcc (unlike prior versions), so you have to download and install Xcode. Then you have to go to Xcode Preferences and download and install Command Line Tools (which includes gcc). Then, you have to verify gcc is successfully installed, all before you even start downloading and installing the latest CUDA driver. You also have to create a ~/.bash_profile file (which Mountain Lion no longer has), then add two Terminal (Unix) commands (to define the environment) in the new file. These last steps require Administrator permission.

You know much better than I do, but it is a very involved process (which I detail in my Apple Discussion post). At least this is the case if I can believe the NVIDIA Guide I am following:
http://docs.nvidia.com/cuda/cuda-getting-started-guide-for-mac-os-x/index.h...

Maybe the answer is that the NVIDIA Guide is simply out-of-date, and the process is much simpler under Mountain Lion. If so, the guys at the Apple forum are asleep at the wheel.
Man, this shouldn't be complicated.

Anyway, there has to be a solution. If in fact Resolve is handling all this, we all owe their tech guys a huge thank you.


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Juan Salvo
Re: Anybody successfully updated CUDA driver on Mountain Lion with GTX 570 card?
on Jan 23, 2013 at 4:52:43 am

No you don't have to do any of those things.

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Eric Hansen
Re: Anybody successfully updated CUDA driver on Mountain Lion with GTX 570 card?
on Jan 23, 2013 at 3:25:43 am

i have a Mac Pro 4,1 with a GTX570 running the latest CUDA drivers, but running 10.7.5. I know quite a few other Resolve users are running a similar setup with 10.8.2, so you should get some replies.

but first off, is this a PC card, or a Mac-flashed card from Macvidcards?

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Michael Holmes
Re: Anybody successfully updated CUDA driver on Mountain Lion with GTX 570 card?
on Jan 23, 2013 at 3:57:04 am

Eric,
It is a stock card:
VGA EVGA|025-P3-1579-AR GTX570 2.5G


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Eric Hansen
Re: Anybody successfully updated CUDA driver on Mountain Lion with GTX 570 card?
on Jan 23, 2013 at 4:02:58 am

As Juan says, it should work as the nVidia drivers are built-in to 10.8.2. You may need to download the CUDA drivers from nVidia directly. i installed these with no issue.

because it's a stock card, and not flashed from Macvidcards, you won't get the Apple boot screen, but it should operate as normal otherwise.

since you're already running the card and 10.8.2, i would try uninstalling the CUDA driver, and then reinstalling. here:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/cuda-mac-driver.html

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Michael Holmes
Re: Anybody successfully updated CUDA driver on Mountain Lion with GTX 570 card?
on Jan 23, 2013 at 4:24:41 am

Eric,
So you are saying that the NVIDIA drivers are built-in, but not the CUDA driver?

If you have time, please look at my last post in my thread at Apple Discussion:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4731106
I list every single step I took in trying to update the CUDA driver.
Maybe you can spot something that looks wrong to you, since you have done this successful. I am not getting much help over there.

FYI, I followed this NVIDIA Guide:
http://docs.nvidia.com/cuda/cuda-getting-started-guide-for-mac-os-x/index.h...


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Juan Salvo
Re: Anybody successfully updated CUDA driver on Mountain Lion with GTX 570 card?
on Jan 23, 2013 at 4:26:30 am

Oh boy. Why are you going through terminal? You probably did a lot more harm than good. I would consider doing a clean install. It does work in 10.8.2 I can personally vouch for that. And for Pete's sake just use the installer app.

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Michael Holmes
Re: Anybody successfully updated CUDA driver on Mountain Lion with GTX 570 card?
on Jan 23, 2013 at 4:48:15 am

Juan,
I am going through it because I am following the NVIDIA Guide:
http://docs.nvidia.com/cuda/cuda-getting-started-guide-for-mac-os-x/index.h...

The guide says it is for version 10.7 and later.
The Guide is wrong?


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Eric Hansen
Re: Anybody successfully updated CUDA driver on Mountain Lion with GTX 570 card?
on Jan 23, 2013 at 4:50:40 am

I believe this is if you want to develop apps for CUDA. You just want to run CUDA.

The Apple support forums are terrible. I don't think there's a single Apple employee on there, and if there was, they wouldn't give you advice about these cards as the Mac Pros didn't ship with them.

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Michael Holmes
Re: Anybody successfully updated CUDA driver on Mountain Lion with GTX 570 card?
on Jan 23, 2013 at 4:57:32 am

Eric,
So, could you please tell me exactly what you did?
Did you just download and install the CUDA Toolkit?
How did you verify that you were successful?

Thanks again for your help!


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Juan Salvo
Re: Anybody successfully updated CUDA driver on Mountain Lion with GTX 570 card?
on Jan 23, 2013 at 4:54:36 am

Boy is that ever wrong. ;) Here is the link. Hopefully this still works after all you've done. I honestly would just do a clean install if I were you.

Link:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/cuda-mac-driver.html

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Eric Hansen
Re: Anybody successfully updated CUDA driver on Mountain Lion with GTX 570 card?
on Jan 23, 2013 at 4:56:36 am

once you've installed this driver, all updates are handled in the CUDA preference pane in System Preferences.

everything you've gone through was to get the development tools installed for developing CUDA applications. you don't need to do any of that. but since you might have mucked something up, you might need to do a clean install as Juan suggests

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Michael Holmes
Re: Anybody successfully updated CUDA driver on Mountain Lion with GTX 570 card?
on Jan 23, 2013 at 5:03:29 am

OK, sounds good.
The Terminal commands are a limited number and are easy to remove.....I am fairly familiar with Unix commands.
Xcode installation causes no problem, and I can remove it.
So, I can handle w/o clean install.

Thanks again for your help.
I obviously got down the wrong path, and you guys are the only ones to put me on the right path.
Yes, really amazing that someone at Apple forum couldn't help.......I won't be going back.

Thanks again!


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Juan Salvo
Re: Anybody successfully updated CUDA driver on Mountain Lion with GTX 570 card?
on Jan 23, 2013 at 5:05:49 am

They should really call the CUDA runtime something other than a driver, it's kind of confusing.

I worry he might not realize something is mucked until down the line, that's why I think best practice would be to just nuke and start again. Just my two cents though.

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Paul Jay
Re: Anybody successfully updated CUDA driver on Mountain Lion with GTX 570 card?
on Jan 23, 2013 at 4:32:49 pm

I would advice this driver.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/macosx-304.00.05f02-driver.html

It's newer than the built in 10.8 driver.

It's running very stable with the GTX570


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Michael Holmes
Re: Anybody successfully updated CUDA driver on Mountain Lion with GTX 570 card?
on Jan 23, 2013 at 4:35:19 pm

Thanks, Paul.


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Paul Jay
Re: Anybody successfully updated CUDA driver on Mountain Lion with GTX 570 card?
on Jan 23, 2013 at 4:44:03 pm

If the built in driver is so magical then Nvidia would not update this driver for 10.8.2
http://www.nvidia.com/object/macosx-304.00.05f02-driver.html

This installer runs on 10.8.2. If this driver already was on the system , it wouldn't install.

Install this CUDA driver with it and you're good to go.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/cuda-mac-driver.html

Now the card will work in DaVinci Resolve.
Premiere needs the hack. Just google it.


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Yukihide Takanobu
Re: Anybody successfully updated CUDA driver on Mountain Lion with GTX 570 card?
on Jan 31, 2013 at 4:13:17 am

I saw same problem, I could not finished install CUDA driver.
I think this problem is kextcache problem.
some wrong kext happen prevent making kextcache. (my problem by sonnet eSATA kext driver)
and can't finish install.
it's "kextcache 71" error.

in Terminal, type

kextcache -e

if same wrong kext in there, show list up.
remove those kext,will be finished CUDA install.
maybe it's not gtx570 problem , it's kext install problem.

sorry for broken English

thinks,
yuki


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Michael Holmes
Re: Anybody successfully updated CUDA driver on Mountain Lion with GTX 570 card?
on Jan 31, 2013 at 5:07:09 am

My problem was that I got on the wrong path and was trying to install CUDA Developer Tools, not just the drivers. My fault.

I am running Mountain Lion and once I downloaded the latest (1) NVIDIA driver and (2) CUDA driver, these installed without a problem. You need both.

I am not familiar with the problem you mentioned, sorry.


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Eric Hansen
Re: Anybody successfully updated CUDA driver on Mountain Lion with GTX 570 card?
on Jan 31, 2013 at 3:05:46 pm

Hey Michael

great to hear that you got everything working.

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Robert Due
Re: Anybody successfully updated CUDA driver on Mountain Lion with GTX 570 card?
on Feb 1, 2013 at 3:56:00 pm

Michael,
I am running a GTX570 on Lion 10.7.5 (not Mountain Lion).
Where did you find the latest NVIDIA driver? I know where to download the CUDA drivers. (Currently running 5.0.36 - Lion compatible)

I am trouble shooting some performance issues and want to rule out the NVIDIA driver as the culprit.

Robert Due
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OSX 10.7.5
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8GB RAM
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Panny BT-LH1710P/ Panny BT-LH2600W
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Michael Holmes
Re: Anybody successfully updated CUDA driver on Mountain Lion with GTX 570 card?
on Feb 1, 2013 at 4:09:09 pm

http://www.nvidia.com/object/macosx-304.00.05f02-driver.html
This is for Mountain Lion.

For other situations, look here:
http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us


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Matthew Robson
Re: Anybody successfully updated CUDA driver on Mountain Lion with GTX 570 card?
on Feb 13, 2013 at 6:22:39 pm

I'm having lots of problems with a GTX 570. It seems to work fine in Premiere Pro, but in After Effects my system works for a bit and then hangs.

I'm running 10.8.2, GTX570 Palit Sonic Platinum, Mac Pro 5,1.

Weirdly, the first thing to go is my Wacom tablet, which stops working, seconds later the mouse pointer won't move and then alt-cmd-esc becomes non functional.

I have installed latest CUDA drivers and latest NVIDIA drivers from web but no dice.

This is really frustrating, thinking of sending the card back.

Any ideas? The Palit card is slightly overclocked but with a TDP of 220 should be fine.

PLEASE HELP!

Many thanks

:(


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Eric Hansen
Re: Anybody successfully updated CUDA driver on Mountain Lion with GTX 570 card?
on Feb 15, 2013 at 8:24:09 pm

Juan might know better than me, but I've seen references to an Open CL "fix" for the nVidia cards. AE seems to run fine with my 570 on my 4,1 Mac Pro, so i never looked into this fix

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Matthew Robson
Re: Anybody successfully updated CUDA driver on Mountain Lion with GTX 570 card?i
on Feb 15, 2013 at 11:25:59 pm

Hey thanks - think the open cl fix for cards with more 2gb of VRAM (note more than is like 2.5gb not 2048mb.

I'm going to try a 660ti which is only 150 watts - will let you guys know...


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Jim Miller
Re: Anybody successfully updated CUDA driver on Mountain Lion with GTX 570 card?
on Feb 17, 2013 at 11:19:57 pm

I have been having some problems with the Macvidcard's GTX 570 (2.5GB RAM) with Premiere Pro. It took me a while to see and diagnose the problem, so I'm wondering if you have my problem also.

Basically any keyed layers in PPro and a fade up or down (dissolve) is messed up. Simply put some white text over video and put a 10 frame fade up on it. That would mean the transition would be in 10% increments. Instead I get a pop on the first frame of 38% and a fade up to 100% from there. the opposite happens on fade outs, fade to blacks, etc. If you push the background video off to one side, so the graphics is over part black and part video, the difference is quite visible.

When I turn the GPU off in Projects Settings, the problem goes away, except you have to export your final project in the timeline format, and use preview renders, or else the new renders on export will be screwed up also. This problem has been repeatable in other editing rooms with the same card.

Unfortunately, I didn't notice the problem until after the 60 day return policy. Do you have the same situation that I have? If not, then maybe there is a cure, so far I and some others haven't found it.

Thanks much,
Jim



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