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John Pilgrim
WWDC 2012: No New Mac Pro
on Jun 11, 2012 at 6:55:43 pm

:-(


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Laco Gaal
Re: WWDC 2012: No New Mac Pro
on Jun 11, 2012 at 7:26:54 pm

it says "new" in the store.
But I don't know what has changed...
http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/mac_pro


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John Pilgrim
Re: WWDC 2012: No New Mac Pro
on Jun 11, 2012 at 7:38:49 pm

[Laco Gaal] "it says "new" in the store.
But I don't know what has changed..."


Seemingly different chips but still from the Westmere family, not Sandy Bridge E.
That means we retain dual Westmeres' max 40 channels of PCI-E bandwidth,
probably still laid out x16 x16 x4 x4.
No (meaningful) motherboard or case updates.

Cubix, HP, Asus and Supermicro are happy today.


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Robert Houllahan
Re: WWDC 2012: No New Mac Pro
on Jun 11, 2012 at 7:46:18 pm

Wow super lame from Snapple iThing pad phone tvo Co. Maybe we should run Resolve on the cloud from out iPhone.

-Rob-

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Arthur Dobbe
Re: WWDC 2012: No New Mac Pro
on Jun 11, 2012 at 8:32:31 pm

Total disappointment, and not going to buy it. Apple really doesn't want my money ;-(


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Sascha Haber
Re: WWDC 2012: No New Mac Pro
on Jun 11, 2012 at 9:05:20 pm

Yes they do, but not give you anything for it than a glorified netbook

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Robert Houllahan
Re: WWDC 2012: No New Mac Pro
on Jun 11, 2012 at 9:35:01 pm

The new Macbook "Pro" has some interesting features but I am glad I got a 17" MBP a few months ago. As fast as any laptop can be they are not a real substitute for a serious desktop machine especially in terms of GPU performance.

I think it is pretty clear what direction that Apple is going in and that it does not really include heavy professional application use like what we all do in the Film/TV industry.

-Rob-

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Tim Wilson
Re: WWDC 2012: No New Mac Pro
on Jun 11, 2012 at 9:58:42 pm

[John Pilgrim] "Cubix, HP, Asus and Supermicro are happy today."

Don't forget ProMAX and Dell! :-)

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Laco Gaal
Re: WWDC 2012: No New Mac Pro
on Jun 12, 2012 at 8:27:34 am

I think this is a clear message: the Mac Pro line is not dead.
We just have to wait some more to get the refreshed ones with Thunderbolt, usb3, etc.etc.


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Arthur Dobbe
Re: WWDC 2012: No New Mac Pro
on Jun 12, 2012 at 12:35:04 pm

Yeah, new rumors:

http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/11/david-pogue-new-imacs-and-mac-pros-comi...

Another year of waiting .....

At least it looks like they got the message that there is need for a Mac Pro like desktop.


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Juan Salvo
Re: WWDC 2012: No New Mac Pro
on Jun 12, 2012 at 1:41:56 pm

Let's not stick our heads in the sand for rumors from David "fcpx is awesome" Pogue. Time to get ready to move on to real hardware when the time comes.

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Arthur Dobbe
Re: WWDC 2012: No New Mac Pro
on Jun 12, 2012 at 9:13:47 pm

Now it's more than just a rumor:

http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/12/apple-spokesperson-confirms-new-mac-pro...

As much as I hate to wait another year, the positive side is that this is the first time I see Apple revealing anything about future hardware. Maybe they finally figured out that the professional market needs a different approach then the consumer market.


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Juan Salvo
Re: WWDC 2012: No New Mac Pro
on Jun 12, 2012 at 9:49:32 pm

Or maybe they realized the pseudo update was a giant pr screwup. Either way, I'd expect the next MacPro won't be much good for resolve. If building a new Resolve system I would highly recommend a pc based system,

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Juan Salvo
Re: WWDC 2012: No New Mac Pro
on Jun 12, 2012 at 1:32:27 pm

I think the clear message from Apple to Pro users requiring pci & serious gpus is "go f*ck yourself!"

At least that's my take away.

This is definately a must read now:
http://www.blackmagic-design.com/media/3358649/Resolve%20Win%20Config%20Gui...

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Ben Starkey
Re: WWDC 2012: No New Mac Pro
on Jun 12, 2012 at 3:47:12 pm

Linkin Park was singing about the Mac Pro:

We're building it up
To break it back down
We're building it up
To burn it down
We can't wait
To burn it to the ground

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Joseph Owens
Re: WWDC 2012: No New Mac Pro
on Jun 12, 2012 at 3:48:23 pm

[Laco Gaal] "We just have to wait some more to get the refreshed ones with Thunderbolt, usb3, etc.etc."

Don't think so.

Thunderbolt is not a stick-on technology, its a motherboard thing, and there would have to be some serious re-thinks on the part of the Apple establishment to make the changes in the MacPro chassis that would make it worthwhile -- and what we would wind up with is the same path that lead to FCX.

Thunderbolt is not an advantage when there is Fibre and SAS -- even eSATA, especially if you are only working with ProRes bitrate densities. I cannot see Apple opening up or expanding the PCIe slot architecture, and that is what users like us really need.

MacPro is dead to me, Final Cut is frozen, until X becomes FCP8, which appears to be where it's headed, finally, after it re-evolves through the five steps of grief.

jPo

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Joakim Ziegler
Re: WWDC 2012: No New Mac Pro
on Jun 12, 2012 at 9:42:17 pm

While I do think there will be a completely redesigned Mac Pro, Thunderbolt is not necessarily a motherboard thing. Asus is doing Thunderbolt on a PCIe card. It's actually pretty obvious how that works, since TB is just an extension of PCIe.

Apple has apparently also confirmed reports of new Mac Pros for next year, so it seems yesterday's feeble "update" was indeed meant as a stopgap signal that the line's not dead.

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Juan Salvo
Re: WWDC 2012: No New Mac Pro
on Jun 12, 2012 at 9:46:45 pm

Thunderbolt is a motherboard chipset thing. ASUS's card isn't a pci card, it's a daughter card that requires an asus motherboard with a TB capable chipset.

The next MacPro will probably not be a very good resolve solution. If you want resolve performance, it seems well need to look elsewhere.

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Joakim Ziegler
Re: WWDC 2012: No New Mac Pro
on Jun 12, 2012 at 10:11:46 pm

I'm not sure what you're basing "The next Mac Pro will probably not be a very good Resolve solution" on, unless you have some inside info. It's a shame it won't be out until next year, but I see no reason why it shouldn't be an excellent Resolve platform, especially now that Apple seems to be moving back to Nvidia for GPUs.

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Juan Salvo
Re: WWDC 2012: No New Mac Pro
on Jun 12, 2012 at 11:41:14 pm

Because the clear pattern has been less and less expansion builtin and more and more dependence on Thunderbolt. Even current macpros don't have enough pci slots as it is. We have to add cubix expanders and extra power supplies to get what pc configs are able to do in one box. Check out the performance claims in the bmd win config guide.

They dropped the 17" & removed express ports from everything. You really think the next MacPro will have pci slots? Ha!

And as to gpu, it would literally cost apple nothing to add a more modern gpu option to mp. Clearly nvidia wants us to buy their cards. They released the magic drivers. All apple would need to do is give their blessing. Instead they kept the same 3gen old cards from ati in the "new" macpro. They don't want to sell us an end user configurable machine.

To me they're saying it pretty clearly… when my clients ask me for advice on configuring a Resolve system, I will strongly recommend a PC.

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Kevin Cannon
Re: WWDC 2012: No New Mac Pro
on Jun 13, 2012 at 5:54:11 am

[Joakim Ziegler] "Apple seems to be moving back to Nvidia for GPUs."

Right on cue, somebody seems to have drilled down on the Mountain Lion Developer Preview 4 and found GTX 680 / kepler support. Dave P. posted this over at macrumors:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1385329

KC

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John Pilgrim
Re: WWDC 2012: No New Mac Pro
on Jun 13, 2012 at 6:02:16 am

I just want to know when BMD will lower the price and open up the sales channels for Linux Resolve, so I don't have to deal with Windose.

(Yes, I've read the threads about how much intricate configuration the Resolve Linux VARs perform. I'm sure most of us here could hack our way through it, especially with our mutual collective support.)


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Sascha Haber
Re: WWDC 2012: No New Mac Pro
on Jun 13, 2012 at 6:36:50 am

That would actually be a professional alternative for some, right Jimmy ? ;)

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Jimmy Christensen
Re: WWDC 2012: No New Mac Pro
on Jun 13, 2012 at 11:18:09 am

Yes :)

And before the Windows version was here, people used alot of time to configure a PC to run OSX to be able to run Davinci on a decent configuration.


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