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stig olsen
Panasonic BT300
on May 1, 2012 at 10:28:22 am

Hi,

We are about to order new client monitors and are considering the Panasonc BT300 series. Any experience with those?

Stig


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Joseph Owens
Re: Panasonic BT300
on May 1, 2012 at 2:51:10 pm

There has been some recent discussion of the BT300, and the suggestion is that it can be deployed on a short leash calibrated with Lightspace DAVIO.

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Juan Salvo
Re: Panasonic BT300
on May 1, 2012 at 2:53:49 pm

I like these quite a bit. The built in 10-point CMS can be very effective with proper calibration, so can function without a LUT box except in cases where you specifically need a 3D LUT.

These sets are THE STANDARD for plasma display, and everywhere in Post-Houses here in New York. What more can be said than that?

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Pepijn Klijs
Re: Panasonic BT300
on May 1, 2012 at 4:31:10 pm

Hi Juan,
Could you tell a little bit more on what extras are needed to work with such a screen? Calibration, input board maybe?

Thanks!

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Juan Salvo
Re: Panasonic BT300
on May 1, 2012 at 9:54:55 pm

Well the dual link hd-sdi card is pretty much a must have. For calibration, you can adjust the 10 point system by hand through the remote, but some software will also let you connect to it through Ethernet and do manual adjustments over a software interface or manually. Obviously you'd need a probe and software.

More detailed profiling and LUTs would require a DAVIO box. I do not recommend using an HDLink to send picture. For whatever reason it just doesn't look anywhere near as good.

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Gabriele Turchi
Re: Panasonic BT300
on May 2, 2012 at 6:53:17 am

hi juan , you are saying that loading LUT on an HD Link VS a Davio produce quite different (quality wise ) results ?

did you A/B test ?

what is the difference ? i am using HDLink for years , sometimes i tried loading the Lut directly in resolve , and honestly i did not noticed any difference (no A/B ) but by memory ...

thanks

g

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Juan Salvo
Re: Panasonic BT300
on May 2, 2012 at 1:21:00 pm

Don't think it's an issue with the quality of the lut processing but rather the hdmi connection to the monitor.

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Andrew Anderson
Re: Panasonic BT300
on May 2, 2012 at 9:58:15 am

Are you using the BT series as a grading reference monitor or just for client preview?
We found the red hue couldn't quite match rec709
It was always a little more orange

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Juan Salvo
Re: Panasonic BT300
on May 2, 2012 at 1:26:57 pm

Primarily for clients, though I wouldn't be disinclined to recommend it as a grade monitor for someone considering it's overall cost effectiveness and size. As to the red intensity, can't claim it's stood out to me, and probe shows proper red. Could be your particular display, could be your signal path. But a part of it is also just a difference of display technologies having different display characteristics. You couldn't use a lut box to tweak the reds to your desired point?

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Dylan Hopkin
Re: Panasonic BT300
on May 2, 2012 at 4:46:36 pm

Hi Stig,

We have ordered two BT300s.
I checked them out at NRK here in Oslo, they looked great.
Although I did see abit of "rainbow-effect" from time to time.
But I´m sensitive to that type of thing. (Consumer DLP projectors drive me crazy)

I´ll let you know what I think when they are calibrated and have been in production for a while.

Our customers want to see a large screen for broadcast work. Correctly calibrated these screens should be fine for TV-grading at least.
Although you will most probably have to calibrate them frequently.
More so than other normal broadcast monitors.

Lots of adjustments are possible, turn off all the irritating interpolation features etc......

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Paul Provost
Re: Panasonic BT300
on May 3, 2012 at 3:25:24 am

Getting one in a couple weeks. any suggestions for a good adjustable height floor stand? won't be able to wall mount in new location. I've seen photos of a stand that has 2 round chrome poles that looks perfect but cannot find it online.

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Juan Salvo
Re: Panasonic BT300
on May 3, 2012 at 3:30:19 am

We have a model like this, but with wheels.

http://www.premiermountsstore.com/premiermounts6072or84inchhighdualdisplayf...

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Paul Provost
Re: Panasonic BT300
on May 3, 2012 at 3:31:48 am

that'll work!

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stig olsen
Re: Panasonic BT300
on May 3, 2012 at 10:02:15 am

Nice to know, we actually ordered one that will be delivered on monday!

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Teo Rižnar
Re: Panasonic BT300
on May 4, 2012 at 12:10:35 pm

I am using 50" model for 3 months now. I do not have a LUT box, I have just come with the internal CMS and lots of different settings very close do the R709. I am profiling it with LightSpace CMS and it gets quite nice results. On SONY BVM 20" CRT the image looks (and measures with probe) very very close to Plasma. By eye nobody can se de difference (clients).
Out of the box is quite far from the spec, but you can get close without a LUT box (just need the probe an CMS to measure what are you ding). Now I am judging between Davio and HDlink, I like Davio because of two LUTs, I can use one for CRT and one for panny, but still you get two HDlinks for price of one Davio.

So far I am just finishing a feature film and the proces from Resolve suite, panny+CRT to DCP screenings the results are very good. CRT is the same as DCP but panny just crushes the blacs for a little, like 1-3 IRE on bottom of waveform just get a bit smashed. But I believe the LUT box can fix that.

How do you feed your pannys with unscaled or normally scaled legal video, for video out processing? There are some ranges of the chroma that panny just clips off... but never in the grading session, just on test charts.

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Gabriele Turchi
Re: Panasonic BT300
on May 4, 2012 at 5:23:52 pm

Isn't it the Davio 6000 usd and the HDLink 500 usd ?

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Paul Provost
Re: Panasonic BT300
on May 4, 2012 at 9:15:57 pm

Davio = 2 luts & 2 sdi out
Bmd = 1 lut & 1 hdmi out

Davio also has higher precision luts

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Gabriele Turchi
Re: Panasonic BT300
on May 4, 2012 at 11:30:03 pm

What is the price I Davio ?
Thanks
g

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Paul Provost
Re: Panasonic BT300
on May 4, 2012 at 11:41:55 pm

$5K for davio
plus you need a profile / calibration software suite ($5k) & probe ($5k) .
about $15k total to do it right. this allows for independent luts for grade 1 broadcast monitor and client plasma.
probably better to hire out calibration tech regularly?

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Neil Sadwelkar
Re: Panasonic BT300
on May 8, 2012 at 2:49:28 pm

BMD HDLink Pro = 1 LUT, 1 HD-SDI out, plus 1 DVI/MiniDP/HDMI out.

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Paul Provost
Re: Panasonic BT300
on May 8, 2012 at 3:27:56 pm

Sdi is only loop through?

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dermot shane
Re: Panasonic BT300
on May 8, 2012 at 11:27:16 pm

you can chose to use LUTs or not use it, and it converts RGB/444 to YUV/422 if you feed RGB into the BMD


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Paul Provost
Re: Panasonic BT300
on May 9, 2012 at 12:31:29 am

but no sdi out w/LUT to feed monitor right? only hdmi/dvi out to monitor

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Juan Salvo
Re: Panasonic BT300
on May 9, 2012 at 12:40:21 am

You can opt to add the lut to the sdi signal. But it has to be a single link signal. No 4:4:4 with lut applied.

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