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Chad Terpstra
REDcolor3?
on Mar 27, 2012 at 11:43:47 pm

Wondering if anyone knows when there'll be a Resolve update to include Red's new REDcolor3 color science. REDgamma3 would be nifty too.


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Margus Voll
Re: REDcolor3?
on Mar 28, 2012 at 6:55:52 am

It always does but the question is when.

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Dan Moran
Re: REDcolor3?
on Mar 28, 2012 at 8:58:04 am

If you really want to use redgamma 3 the best way to do it is set your red settings to RedLog Film and use a RedLogFilm to RedGamma3 LUT.

You can download some cool ones from here :

http://antlerpost.com/Store.html


I always use RedLogFilm for grading, but It's just a personal preference.

Hope this helps!

Dan Moran
DaVinci Application Specialist
Blackmagic Design EMEA


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Gabriele Turchi
Re: REDcolor3?
on Mar 28, 2012 at 3:41:08 pm

Have Redcolor 3 i guess is more important than Redgamma 3 (even Jima jannard said that for finishing RedlogFilm is still preferred )

i quite don't get why you guys are not updating ...Assimilate SCRATCH took 4 days to update the red SDK ...

thanks

g

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Mike Most
Re: REDcolor3?
on Mar 28, 2012 at 3:57:05 pm

[Gabriele Turchi] "i quite don't get why you guys are not updating ...Assimilate SCRATCH took 4 days to update the red SDK ...
"


That's a pretty unfair statement. Assimilate has always been much more "Red-centric" than any other company, in part because their connection with Red is a major factor in how they re-established themselves in the marketplace (they co-authored the original Redcine, remember?). Every company has its priorities, its particular strategic alliances, and its own specific coding/updating issues. You can say that Scratch had Redcolor3 support first, but then again, they took a few years to introduce Avid MXF support, which Resolve has had for some time, and which to many is far more important than the "latest and greatest" Red stuff that's only been available - even in Red's own software - for a few weeks. Besides, Scratch is marketed as an all around processing tool, not necessarily a grading system. It's used for conforming and particularly for dailies creation, including double system synching and simultaneous multiple deliverables. They even have a lower cost version created specifically for that market (Scratch Lab). That is NOT Resolve's focus, even though some people here and elsewhere might want it to be. "Instant Results" are useful in a dailies system. They're not so useful in a final grading system.

Red is not the only camera in the world. In fact, in a number of markets that many of us work in, the Alexa is far more widely used and critical to have direct support for. In the television world in which I currently live, frankly we're now seeing much more interest in the Canon C300 (supported by Resolve 8.2) than we are Red. That's not a personal bias (I happen to like Red), it's just fact. Just because Red likes to completely change their software every couple of months doesn't mean Blackmagic should.


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Gabriele Turchi
Re: REDcolor3?
on Mar 28, 2012 at 4:32:03 pm

Mike i 100% disagree with you (maybe for the first time :)

Resolve is a high end sophisticated Color grading Tool ,
Red/Epic/scarlet are the more commune used camera in the professional production (and ALEXA off course) (i work in NYC for broadcast commercials and and i get 50% RED , 45% Alexa , 5% others ( understand that for others could be different but i do believe that RED is for sure one of oct used )

New Redcolor science for a color work is supposed to be a Big Deal ,

Scratch implemented new SDK only after the SDK has been shipped to everybody (so no favors to assimilate from Red )

Off I agree that for a company is about priorities ,

but all i am doing is to give a testimony of my "market" that is 50% Red footage to deal with every day , and so new color science it does matter ,

than off course is put to them assign priorities

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Chad Terpstra
Re: REDcolor3?
on Mar 28, 2012 at 8:47:15 pm

I usually use RedlogFilm as well and probably will continue to do so. I just want access to REDcolor3. It would be great if DaVinci could roll that out soon as I do 75% Red work.


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Mike Most
Re: REDcolor3?
on Mar 28, 2012 at 9:39:49 pm

[Gabriele Turchi] "Mike i 100% disagree with you (maybe for the first time :)"

Which part?

It is absolutely true that we all talk from our own particular perspective, and that's always influenced by the particular market we work in and the type of work we encounter. What I said about the work I encounter is true about that work, not necessarily about everyone's. But I'd also stand by what I said about Assimilate being a rather Red-centric company, and Blackmagic being a bit more format agnostic. I would add that integration of code from a third party is never straightforward, certainly not as straightforward as Red would like you to think it is. It needs to be QC'd and tested quite heavily by companies like Blackmagic before it's pushed out to users who won't understand when problems occur and Blackmagic can't solve them because it's not their code, especially if they see it "work" in a program like Redcine X, which is designed for it. Blackmagic is a bit more reticent to release these things as quickly as, say, Assimilate because they have a wider user base that is not solely Red-centric. So they take a bit more time in order to avoid being the guinea pig. Personally, I don't have a problem with that. However, YMMV, and probably does.

From what I've seen, the Redcolor3 change from Redcolor2 is not particularly dramatic and most definitely not a "big deal." The combination of Redcolor3 and Redgamma3 is more significant if you're talking about the on set monitor feed, which is what is was designed for. For those of us in post production, "big deal" is a bit of an overstatement. But once again, that'a only my opinion.

As for disagreeing with me, that's what these discussions are for. If everyone agreed on everything, or if everyone worked on the same projects and therefore had the same perspective, there wouldn't be any need for these forums and the discussions would be much less interesting. I not only welcome the fact that you disagree with me, I appreciate it and try to learn from it.


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Joakim Ziegler
Re: REDcolor3?
on Mar 29, 2012 at 1:29:33 am

Yeah, integrating new code and making a new release is a bit of work, and not something to be hurried along.

I'll go out on a limb and say that there's likely to be a new major release at NAB, and it's likely to support RedColor3/RedGamma3.

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