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Dave Bowman
Advice for a request for music change
on Aug 14, 2017 at 11:51:58 pm

Hi everyone,

I wonder if someone can offer me some advice on this. I've created a video of a large estate house for a customer and cut it to music - music I chose as it was suitable for the video . So far it's in the rough edit stage. The video has a lot of movement in it and the timing of the video editing to the music is critical to the overall flow of the video. However, now the customer wants a friend of theirs to write some music for the video. They haven't even seen the rough edit yet so this is an idea that popped up out of nowhere. I'm just wondering how to approach this issue with the customer. I certainly don't want to have to re-edit the whole video again to another piece of music which quite possibly won't fit or be appropriate.

I'm tempted to say that I will provide the cut video and then their musician friend can create their music to fit. Otherwise I could just say no and hope they don't backout of it all. Any suggestions greatly appreciated.

I guess I'm looking for a reasonable and delicately worded argument that would persuade the customer that their idea is a bad one ☺

Cheers

Dave


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Roy Schneider
Re: Advice for a request for music change
on Aug 15, 2017 at 2:30:47 pm

Sometimes honesty is the best approach. Explain to your client, what you just wrote. Explain to them that you create your budget based on the time it takes to do a project and that this seemingly simple change would mean you spending additional time in post.

Roy

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Greg Ball
Re: Advice for a request for music change
on Aug 16, 2017 at 4:45:02 pm

Knowing that you were cutting to the music, did you let your client hear the music and approve it before you started cutting? I always let the client hear the music first, if I'm using music that way.

This comes from my years of experience working in corporate video. I once had a boss who hated every cut of music I selected. So I was a bit shy about cutting to a song. Finally I did one cut with a lousy music track that did not match the action. When they said they hated it, I'd come back later with the cut I had already done (cut to the beat), and they loved it!! LOL!

Greg Ball, President
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Dave Bowman
Re: Advice for a request for music change
on Aug 19, 2017 at 1:26:16 pm

Hi Greg. Thanks for your reply. There was an agreement that I would select the music (bad idea probably), and that would probably have been fine... until he put it to his wife. She then said she wanted something with a more Celtic feel to it which threw a spanner in the works. Anyway, I've since managed to get an agreement on a slightly Celtic tune that works, so hopefully no more issues from hereon in.


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Bill Davis
Re: Advice for a request for music change
on Aug 23, 2017 at 8:17:22 pm

[Dave Bowman] "I guess I'm looking for a reasonable and delicately worded argument that would persuade the customer that their idea is a bad one ☺ "

I have a different perspective here.

With modern editing software, making an alt cut to try out new music should be pretty trivial.

There's no downside I can see to sending a watermarked copy of the project for the client's composer to play around with. He or she can strip out the audio and play around to their hearts content.

If they can improve things - GREAT.

If not, the only thing that's happened, is that somebody new (the composer) has seen your work. That's a PLUS in my book.

If they come up with something interesting, It's equally trivial to clone the current project and adjust things for the new score.

Heck, I edit in FCP X - and I bet I'd find it really interesting to create a new Audition for the alt music - adjust the scene timings to the alternate score (should take maybe half an hour?) - and switch back and forth between the two versions to see how the different scores affect the visual layout.

Isn't this exactly WHY we all use non-linear editing today.

So we can make changes easily in search of the best result?

FWIW.

Creator of XinTwo - http://www.xintwo.com
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greg janza
Re: Advice for a request for music change
on Aug 27, 2017 at 5:07:53 am

[Bill Davis] "With modern editing software, making an alt cut to try out new music should be pretty trivial."

On this point I can agree with Bill. Music selects for video pieces seems to always engender a lot of differing opinions from clients. It's also an area of post production that goes through the most revisions.

Instead of looking at it as a negative, maybe you can look at it as an opportunity for a serendipitous moment in the editing process. You'll be surprised at how easy it is to swap music selects.

And yes, watermarked tracks make the whole music selects process even easier since no money has been spent. All you have to do is swap out for another track.

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grinner hester
Re: Advice for a request for music change
on Sep 9, 2017 at 11:50:41 pm

Show them what doesn't work then bill them for your time.



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