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Daniel Peterson
Top 7 pro editing applications?
on Feb 28, 2013 at 10:16:07 pm

Ok I've been searching around a little, and as far as I can tell these are the 7 most popular professional editing applications (no order)? Do you agree?

Avid Media Composer
Final Cut X
Final Cut 7
Premier Pro CS6
Sony Vegas
Autodesk Smoke
Edius


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Stephen Smith
Re: Top 7 pro editing applications?
on Mar 1, 2013 at 3:26:56 pm

Why are you looking for the 7 most popular professional editing applications?

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Daniel Peterson
Re: Top 7 pro editing applications?
on Mar 1, 2013 at 11:30:13 pm

Good question, actually the number 7 is not important, these 7 just seem to be the major contenders for the majority of all editors (from broadcast to independent filmmakers)...I wanted to see if I was correct or missing something (eg. I'm unsure about Edius)... I've been running my own small business for a while (and working as a freelancer) doing all types of post-production work (from TV shows to weddings, haha), personally I use final cut 7 and PPrCS6 full time (as well as AE and Blender), but often hear that avid is considered 'industry standard' and see smoke advertised everywhere, but then again have met some guys that talk edius up. haha... it can be confusing.

I do realise that they are not directly comparable as they have their own strengths and weaknesses, but as far as I can tell these seem to be the most popular apps covering the post-production world. I'm interested partly out of my own desire for clarity, but I'm also refining an idea I have for a website (which is not limited too, but includes some info and clarity on the popularity and usage of the major pro post-production applications).

appreciate any opinions!

Cheers


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Dominic Deacon
Re: Top 7 pro editing applications?
on Mar 2, 2013 at 9:40:16 pm

Don't be unusure about Edius. It's amazing. Of the options you list it's the most stable, the most powerful*, works with seemingly all codecs without blinking and has the most comprehensive colour correction tools of the lot. Throw in cool tools like the ripple mode and it's one of the most flexible as well. I came to Edius after editing for a few years on FCP and it was such a revelation I was kind of pissed no one had told me about Edius in all that time.

The interesting thing with Edius is they seem to have no advertising budget or else are keen to keep their software a secret.

If you'r ejust listing all the professional options then I'd add Lightworks to the list. I couldn't get it stable on my system but from the toying I've done it's pretty powerful and has edited its fair share of Oscar winning features. More than FCP anyway.

*An elastic term but I use it to describe the system that can do the most without rendering.


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Stephen Smith
Re: Top 7 pro editing applications?
on Mar 4, 2013 at 4:12:04 pm

[Dominic]
*An elastic term but I use it to describe the system that can do the most without rendering.

What can it do with out rendering that Premiere and Avid can't?

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Dominic Deacon
Re: Top 7 pro editing applications?
on Mar 5, 2013 at 7:52:33 pm

I have Premiere and Avid on my system as well. They're not bad for real time performance they just start to choke a lot faster than Edius.

I tend to have at least 3 layers of colour effects on every clip. In the project I'm doing at the moment I frequently have four or five such clips in a single frame all of which are in motion using the Layouter- a very cool Edius tool where you can keyframe the motion of your clips in a similar manner to AE- and rarely have to think about rendering. Actually its really only when there's two or more masks in the frame as well as all those colour corrected layers that I have a need to render.

Mind you my system might just be in the sweet spot for Edius. I recently sat down in a studio that had Edius running on a machine with 24 processors and massive graphics cards etc. They weren't getting a lick more performance than I was on my humble home PC.


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Stephen Smith
Re: Top 7 pro editing applications?
on Mar 5, 2013 at 8:37:13 pm

Premieres performance is effected by the graphics card. Be sure to us a supported card or at least add the hack.

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Dominic Deacon
Re: Top 7 pro editing applications?
on Mar 5, 2013 at 9:07:16 pm

I've got a nVidia Quadro 1000. That's supported isn't it?


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Stephen Smith
Re: Top 7 pro editing applications?
on Mar 5, 2013 at 9:20:32 pm

I don't see it on the list. Did I miss something?

http://www.adobe.com/products/premiere/mercury-playback-engine.html

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Dominic Deacon
Re: Top 7 pro editing applications?
on Mar 5, 2013 at 9:52:13 pm

Ah, never seen that list. I had just assumed.


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Stephen Smith
Re: Top 7 pro editing applications?
on Mar 5, 2013 at 9:54:23 pm

You are in luck. Do a search for a graphics card hack. It is just adding your card name to the list of approved cards and you should see some increase in performance. Let me know if things play better in real time or not.

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Dominic Deacon
Re: Top 7 pro editing applications?
on Mar 7, 2013 at 1:53:35 am

Neat trick. Did that but I didn't think to refresh myslelf first as to how PP usually runs for me. I really only jump in there very occassionally for Magic Bullet (which along with Audition/AE integration is the only thing I prefer in PP to Edius) and after performing the hack I now can't tell whether it's better than it was or not because I don't recall exactly how it was. Still sits for me at being faster than AVID while a good clip below Edius.


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Andrew Rendell
Re: Top 7 pro editing applications?
on Mar 1, 2013 at 4:49:43 pm

TBH, to get a meaningful answer you need to define exactly what you mean by "professional".

For a general professional = as used by people who earn their livelihood from it I expect all of those you mention would be in use but I wouldn't like to speculate about how extensive each one might be.

For a more specific professional = relied upon by people who interact with others in the making of mainstream tv and/or film then the list will only have 3 or 4 contenders in it.


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Daniel Peterson
Re: Top 7 pro editing applications?
on Mar 2, 2013 at 12:04:21 am

Yeah I had the same thought when posting, curious as to how you split it though... what are your 3 or 4 contenders for a specific professional?

Thanks


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Andrew Rendell
Re: Top 7 pro editing applications?
on Mar 2, 2013 at 7:47:52 am

Well, I'm making programmes for mainstream broadcast in London (mainly BBC, Channel 4, Discovery, Al Jazeera, etc), so I use systems which have established workflows, i.e., the same ones used by facilities here.

Avid Media Composer is top of the list, I keep expecting each job I do on FCP7 to be the last but I'm still being asked for it. I know a few people who have used Adobe CS (more for the effects than for cutting though) and a couple who have used FCPX for the odd thing. That's the "3 or 4" in order.

For onlining in facilities, you can add Avid DS and Symphony and Smoke, but that's quite a narrow market, a few of us freelancers use one or more of them but I'd say that at the moment it's more likely that we'll be using facilities' kit than owning them ourselves.


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Bill Davis
Re: Top 7 pro editing applications?
on Mar 7, 2013 at 4:55:54 am

I still think the largest overlooked facts in play are these.

A - there's more video being produced and consumed at all levels today than ever before.

B - that work is spread over more classes of both producers and consumers than ever before.

C - that work is distributed via more "channels" (in the wide sense of deployment modes) than EVER before.

D - video is becoming more and more like writing. Something that only priests and monks were expected to do in the olden days, but something your neighbors (on both sides) are increasingly likely to be participating in.

In that environment the focus of what "editing" is is slowly changing. I think it's going to be increasingly hard to sustain business models that rely on expensive editing solutions targeted at upper tier editors - and more common to see "communities of interest" develop around fewer tools.

I'd expect the big players, AVID, ADOBE, APPLE to remain vibrant - but their share WILL erode. Not in pros, but in the widest swath of editors as more and more niche products peck away at their bases. (I know more than a few folks who do all their editing in After Effects!) . And for the weaker players to eventually fall away since their margins will fade. Open source community processes like Lightworks will gain some traction, because, like Unix - they benefit from community contribution and pride over pure profit. But in the end, what will last is those solutions that provide the widest capabilities at the lowest cost - to the largest class of users.

Sooner or later you'll see programs like MSWord running on Metro able to import and do basic editing on thin video content embedded in working documents. Video processing will be more like word processing. General editing will be roughing out ideas prior to moving a "rough state" project up to the cloud and pros will just be the limited group who have "enhanced" suite tools and local storage on their desktops.

And probably there will be sweat-shop teams of "finishing editors" in Mumbai available via PayPal to do the complicated stuff you don't know how to do or just "pretty up" the video cheaply.

It'll be fun, huh?

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Stephen Smith
Re: Top 7 pro editing applications?
on Mar 8, 2013 at 4:25:32 pm

Bill, I hope you are wrong. I hope our industry will be like the accounting (tax) industry. Sure, people due there own taxes but other will always need a specialist when they have something more complicated. A lot of people make a good living doing taxes.

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Bill Davis
Re: Top 7 pro editing applications?
on Mar 9, 2013 at 3:48:01 am

I respect the analogy, Stephen. But I hope you've missed the current commercial featuring the plumber working under the sink who turns out to be the same guy who did the family taxes at the local "tax shop."

The truth is that "expertise" is being rapidly devalued everywhere. With info about everything (including detailed demo videos!) a smart phone click away, knowing how to do something is worth less today today then ever before.

Yes, there will always be a market for expertise. But I wonder if that expertise will be about process - as it largely is today, or something different. Style, Vision, Boldness, Trust, Attitude..... something other than operational technique, which can be looked up pretty quickly on line.

Interesting to think about.

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Brittany DeLillo
Re: Top 7 pro editing applications?
on Mar 11, 2013 at 3:07:33 am

[Bill Davis] "Yes, there will always be a market for expertise. But I wonder if that expertise will be about process - as it largely is today, or something different. Style, Vision, Boldness, Trust, Attitude..... something other than operational technique, which can be looked up pretty quickly on line."

I think that is already true today. Sure my sister can look up how to use Final Cut and make a pretty good video but it doesn't have nearly as much finesse as something I, a professional, could create. You've said the why: Style, Vision, Boldness, etc. You can't find that in a video tutorial.

We're not only looked upon to make a great looking product, we also need to do it QUICKLY. We all know the current trend of shorter and shorter deadlines. Not to mention the fact we will probably need to do it on two or three different NLEs with a wide range of people with varying opinions and temperaments. The combination of process, storytelling, speed and attitude all combine to make "expert" editors a worthy breed to keep around.

As to NLEs, I'd say Avid, FCP7, Premiere and Smoke would be the top tier to consider. I'm not entirely sure how much FCPX is used in the professional space but I'd guess it's less than Smoke.


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Stephen Smith
Re: Top 7 pro editing applications?
on Mar 11, 2013 at 4:16:16 pm

[Bill]
The truth is that "expertise" is being rapidly devalued everywhere. With info about everything (including detailed demo videos!) a smart phone click away, knowing how to do something is worth less today today then ever before.

Yes and No. There is so much I could learn to do but only so much time in the day. So I'll still let someone else change the oil in my car even though there are a lot of tutorial on how to do it. One of the main reasons people come to me is because I'm an expert. But to your point, yes, more people then ever are using NLS that aren't professionals. This has also created a need for more videos then ever before.

[Bill]
Yes, there will always be a market for expertise. But I wonder if that expertise will be about process - as it largely is today, or something different. Style, Vision, Boldness, Trust, Attitude..... something other than operational technique, which can be looked up pretty quickly on line.

I agree 100%. I guess I didn't need to write what I wrote up above. I also think this already occurred. When I started editing it was Liner Editing and NLE work stations where very expensive and in the hands of very few. They cost more then a luxury car and the per hour editing rate would make jaws drops. I jumped on FCP when Version 2 was released and never looked back. The three big production companions in Utah could not afford to compete with these new "cheep" editing systems and already invested to much in their hundred thousand dollar edit bays. They had to close shop. I hope editing is no longer about button pushing but about what else you bring to the edit.

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