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Ed Kukla
Premiere vs Edius vs Vegas
on Mar 21, 2009 at 4:23:57 pm

I'll be doing some editing with XDCAM EX footage. I need laptop capability. Sticking with PC. Starting from scratch with a very high end Thinkpad.
I'm looking for some sort of overview of the strengths and weaknesses of the three listed products. Please keep in mind I'll be sticking with EX footage. The editing will not be very complicated.

So I'd like to be able to analyse the pro's and con's of these three platforms and make a decision based on what I need and want and will use.

Is there any published comparison out there?

Thanks


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Tim Kolb
Re: Premiere vs Edius vs Vegas
on Mar 21, 2009 at 5:44:34 pm

Premiere Pro is very powerful and versatile and happens to be what I use, but it is becoming a incredible load for even powerful computers...I run PPro CS4 on a laptop, and I like the response with SD material and I use it frequently, but it's the heaviest load of the three.

Edius is fast, fast, fast....did I mention that it's really fast? It's very efficient and has loads and loads of RT response...the fastest editing system I've ever used. However, anything that it CAN'T do in realtime is not included. While this isn't a sin in itself, sometimes if an editor wants to do some particular effect and is even willing to render something if needed, chances are anything that is elaborate enough to have to render is not available inside Edius. However, doing your video effects in AE and editing super fast in Edius may be a perfectly workable system and I know it works well for many, many users. Edius is quickly becoming popular in the news editing world, because of another feature...it's really fast.

Vegas has perennially been the video editor with almost other-wordly capabilities (the first NLE in this price range to have what Adobe refers to as "time-remapping" available on the timeline), and also will run on almost any system that meets the OS requirements...its performance simply scales down or up and it's pretty darn stable in my experience. While it isn't really configured as a "Real Time" editing system like many others were really crowing about a handful of years ago, on a fast system it's fast...the key edge for Vegas though is that on a slow system...it runs.

Those are my observations on these three NLEs. i'm sure there are others.




TimK,
Director, Consultant
Kolb Productions,


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Ed Kukla
Re: Premiere vs Edius vs Vegas
on Mar 21, 2009 at 5:57:08 pm

Tim
You wrote: "However, anything that it CAN'T do in realtime is not included."
Not sure what you mean there. I'm not very savvy on the edit side of things. What can't it do?

Thanks for the caution about system size of PP.

In describing Edius as very fast, how are the other two "slow" by comparison?

If Edius is very fast, why do they sell a hardware accelerator? I plan on laptop use so extra hardware is out.

Thanks


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Tim Kolb
Re: Premiere vs Edius vs Vegas
on Mar 21, 2009 at 6:17:47 pm

None of them are 'slow' really, but the response during editing of Edius is very fast...even in software, and many news stations use it on a laptop.

As far as what's not included, i'm referring to capabilities with mattes and masks and some types of FX that almost no NLE can do in real-time...most NLEs have these capabilities, but they have to render... In the case of Edius, any effect that can't be executed in real time simply isn't available in there.

Edius has hardware designed for certain in/out capabilities like SDI and that sort of thing...unavailable on a laptop or base computer system.



TimK,
Director, Consultant
Kolb Productions,


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Ed Kukla
Re: Premiere vs Edius vs Vegas
on Mar 21, 2009 at 6:26:49 pm

Regarding the included effects. I read that Vegas will have more but will likely need to render them. Not a big deal, I won't be doing a lot of effects.

I don't think I need the ultra fast capability that news might need.

I'd love to see a comparison chart of features among all these programs.

I think I read somewhere that Vegas has more support for input and output of all the EX file types. I think Edius doesn't support 1080P?
This is the sort of stuff a side by side comparo would be helpful.

thanks Tim



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Tim Kolb
Re: Premiere vs Edius vs Vegas
on Mar 21, 2009 at 8:33:53 pm

Yep...feature by feature comparisons are difficult because technically a Cruise ship, a Jet Ski and a nuclear submarine are all water transportation...

These packages all have different design priorities and all excel at different things technically...then there's the question of interface aesthetic, which causes all sorts of illogical arguments across these forums as there is only personal preference and no "right" and "wrong".



TimK,
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Kolb Productions,


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Ed Kukla
Re: Premiere vs Edius vs Vegas
on Mar 22, 2009 at 11:45:17 am

thanks Mike

That was a pretty darn good comparo. I wish they had even more details...I'm greedy!

I'm leaning towards Vegas


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Trent Whittington
Re: Premiere vs Edius vs Vegas
on Mar 23, 2009 at 1:36:26 am

I started off using Vegas then upgraded to Vegas 8 Pro. Its very cheap as well, I found it really buggy with over 1 1/2hr+ timelines. However it will pretty much take any footage you can through at it. I've switched to Final Cut now but if you had a decent system going I would go for Sony Vegas, but you will need After Effects or something if you want any decent effects done.

My 2 cents

Trent Whittington - Currently studying Associate Degree in Digital Television

iMac - 24inch 3.06Ghz, FC STUDIO 2, Adobe Production Premium CS4.
Asus eee - 8.9inch 1.6Ghz 1Gb Ram, Windows XP


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Tim Kolb
Re: Premiere vs Edius vs Vegas
on Mar 23, 2009 at 12:40:43 pm

Ed...

Just be careful to separate fact from opinion. We all use what we use because it serves our needs best and almost every comparison is done with some specific standard as to what the "ultimate" editing system does...

All NLEs do some effects...Edius does some intriguing effects, but has some limitations due to the requirement that everything be realtime...but if you look at any of these programs and it does what you need, I'd say to ignore the fact that it doesn't do something that someone else says it should do and go for it.

Vegas and PPro are two best choices if you need to deal with audio on the timeline to any great extent.

Edius is far and away the best at mixing formats in one timeline...and still doing it fast.

As far as using lots of graphics in an edit, nothing out there is as versatile as Premiere Pro. The ability to load Photoshop files in layers is incredibly useful.

Vegas has features that are unique to it and definitely add capability...Vegas users in the Cow Vegas forum would be able to describe those features more completely...

...and of the three packages, Premiere Pro is the only one that is cross-platform Win/Mac.





TimK,
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Kolb Productions,


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Ed Kukla
Re: Premiere vs Edius vs Vegas
on Mar 23, 2009 at 12:53:15 pm

Here's where I'm at so far...
Premier Pro seems to be a system hog and on a laptop that might be an issue. I will never use After Effects and doubtful I'll do much with Photoshop. I do have an older version of photoshop. I am definately not graphics oriented. If I need something fancy, I'll farm that out.

So the question becomes Edius vs. Vegas.

Vegas seems to have more features but is 'different' in the way things are done. I can't really see that but I don't have a long history of cutting on anything else. Some minor experience with premiere pro. I should be able to adapt?

Edius is 'faster'. Not sure exactly how compared to Vegas. Edius seems to have less features than Vegas.

So unless I find that the 'faster' capability is worth it to me, I'm leaning towards Vegas. My projects will be no longer than 10 minutes and they will be fairly simple. Some flips or wipes or other transitions, titles, audio and picture. Plus DVD authoring which Edius does not have.

Thanks all so far...


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Marc Kalinka
Re: Premiere vs Edius vs Vegas
on Apr 11, 2010 at 2:44:22 pm

I use both Premiere cs3 and Vegas 9 64 bits. Both have great features, but to be honest, Vegas is the fastest, easiest and most powerful. In this last year I used mainly Premiere, because of a sort of feeling that Vegas is not as professional as Premiere and because all my pc friends use it. But that's a prejudice. Vegas can be open as many times you want, allowing you to work on many projects simultaneously and passing material from one to another. Furthermore, Vegas uses scripts that can be customized; and, last but not least, from Vegas you can manipulate sound better than in Premiere and, if you need it, send it to Soundforge for a more professional sound editing.


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Chris Churcher
Re: Premiere vs Edius vs Vegas
on Sep 8, 2010 at 2:12:34 pm

This has been a really helpful thread, I have been working with Adobe products for years, PS and AE nearly 11 and Premiere Pro 5 or 6 years, before PP I was using Avid to edit, which when its set up properly was fine. Premiere Pro was doing ok but recent versions have seen me go through an about turn! I have had it with Adobe, after forking out for the CS4 suite. The programmes simply do not do what they say they can do, they integration features such as Direct Link caused me more problems than it gave me solutions and PP is such a hog of a programme that on every project i used it...BHAM... my workflow grinds to a halt!!! and i have to spand more time developing crafty, ad hoc workarounds to cheat the poorly programmed 'blow-ware' as i have discovered others are calling it. I am sour, bitter, I want my money back! But most of all I want to enjoy my work again!! And it seems unless I am prepared to migrate to Mac and FP, which I have no problems with then I might be looking at Vegas for my editing atleast, but it seems from whats been written in the thread that I am on a wild goose chase if I think I can find anything to compare with AE in terms of PC based motion graphics and SFX. I love what AE offers me, and for that matter PP... I just wish they could deliver it instead of releasing a new product every 10 months, and please spare your fingers if this grates on you ... I have heard all the excuses... there is no justification for rushed, sloppy programming! Wow sorry, bee in my bonnet...

Right... off to download the trial of Vegas and see what happens! Thank you guys!


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