Love both of those.
My earliest mentor stated so many tims that the best edits are undetected that I cheer for what I see as rebelion in these pieces. I love the "hey look at me" chops and until flicks like Snatch, I was quite the edit-hider.
Now, I love editing to the beat of a conversation and I love teasing, tormenting leading and misleading. These things can easily be done by waving for one's attention.
I probably would be one of those mentor types, but occasionally a piece comes in that just cries out for breaking the rules. The story is best told by jarring the viewer into a realization of the message and do that is a lot of fun.
On the other hand, subtlety still has a lot going for it. Sometimes the touch of a hand on someone's arm conveys the story or letting the talking head make a poignant pause before moving on adds emotion to a piece. That's why editing is such a great craft - we get to use whatever tools and methods we like to create whatever mood is dictated.
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