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Charlie King
Look of Success, or Look of Creative
on Aug 30, 2005 at 4:23:54 pm

We got a good conversation going in the other post. I would like to know others ideas on this.
Is the look of success, the look of a creative person, or are they totally opposites, or what siilarities are they. What is your idea of the look a creative person should have? Or is dress, etc. that important?

Charlie


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Pixel Monkey
Re: Look of Success, or Look of Creative
on Aug 30, 2005 at 6:10:54 pm



Darn good question, more so now than even ten years ago.

My brain wants to spew tons of responses, but I think they'll all dance around the same thing: In the editing/animation arm of the industry, it's all about the work vs. the environment. Look at the folks at Pixar, shuttling to meetings in shorts, iPods and on push-scooters. But, I guarantee they all have 3-4 suits and a tux in their office closets. You gotta sport top threads at award shows.

Then look at ad agencies. A suit means loot and that's it. Maybe chinos and a golf shirt. Not too many places tolerate much else.

In fact, that's probably the whole key to how a person looks - how much they can get away with. Me? I'm usually in jeans, and since my job description says "... 80% editing, 15% graphics creation and 5% DUTIES AS ASSIGNED.". As long as I'm seen carrying a screwdriver once in a while, they look the other way. (And no, I don't mean a vodka/orange juice.) But I throw on a sportcoat every now and then for those throw-off-the-boss James Bond moments.


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AVID_CHUMP
Re: Look of Success, or Look of Creative
on Aug 31, 2005 at 12:16:36 pm

Hi guys

Interesting post Charlie !

I dont think its necessarily important what someone wears etc, because it all come down to that persons personality outside of the creative bit.

I've worked with / met editors that wear suits / shirt and tie / jeans and a worn out t-shirt etc well groomed / going for the tramp chic etc etc, in all cases the success or creativity amougst them all has been attributed to:

Environment (conformable yet practical)
Comfort (personal preferences in clothing etc)
And most of all getting peace to do their jobs !!

I think the days of stereotyping how a "creative" should look perhaps are now long in the past. One of the biggest mistruths i got told when i started out was that a tidy edit suite is NOT conductive to a creative mentality - utter nonsense !


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reggie prescott
Re: Look of Success, or Look of Creative
on Aug 31, 2005 at 2:53:19 pm

dress casual



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Del Holford
Re: Look of Success, or Look of Creative
on Aug 31, 2005 at 8:07:28 pm

amen to that.
I'm most comfortable in polo shirts and Savane slacks. Others are more comfortable in jeans or even shorts. Creativity comes out of your brain not out of your closet.
That being said, clients expect a certain level of business casual and don't afford as much respect (merited or not) to those who prefer to dress sloppily. That's my view from the Southeast.


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mark harvey
Re: Look of Success, or Look of Creative
on Sep 1, 2005 at 5:25:31 pm

IM really into soccer shirts, being a Brit by birth....I often wear one of my England shirts. I like to dress for comfort, and trust me, there is avery little else more comfortable than a soccer shirt.

Mark


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Charlie King
Re: Look of Success, or Look of Creative
on Sep 1, 2005 at 6:11:39 pm

I probaly should state,I always tried to dress for comfort. Shorts, T-shirt, or some sort of knit shirt, Tennis shoes. I have always made every attempt to be neat, I do feel you should look nice albeit comfortable. As to Pixels coments, for awards shows I have usually dressed western, with my python boots, Levi dress slacks, and my Bugs Bunny Wrangler western shirt with Western Jacket. If I absolutely had to I would rent a Tux, but make every attempt to stay away from that.

I really believe that clients don't come to a production/post production facility, because a person looks successful, or looks creative, ya just gotta be you.

Charlie


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Shane Ross
Re: Look of Success, or Look of Creative
on Sep 3, 2005 at 11:22:08 am

As well as being an editor, I also know TONS of editors. I can tell you, if one showed up to work in what the corporate world calls "dress casual," we'd all ask "who'd you interview with today?"

Mainy we are in jeans or shorts, t-shirts or short sleeve button ups (being LA and hot) The occasional Oxford, but over a t-shirt and sleeves rolled up. A few times I have seen ripped jeans, but not often. I know a guy with a black mohawk who dresses all in black and wears combat boots...but he is the nicesst guy, extremely creative, and clean.

The biggest this is cleanliness. There are ads out here on the radio that guarantee that a clean plumber will show up at your house...bathed and in laundered clothing (I am guessing that is a problem in plumber-land). As long as we dress neatly (an un-ironed shirt is acceptable if you work long hours and have 3 kids) and bathe regularly then we are fine. There have been a couple times that I know of where the editor was warned about his bathing habits and then fired. I mean, I know we are all introverts for wanting to sit in a dark room staring at computer monitors for 8-10 hours, but really, take SOME pride in your appearance.

But this dress code goes for pretty much everyone in the BIZ out here, minus the Producers. They are always in a suit, or dress casual.


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reggie prescott
Re: Look of Success, or Look of Creative
on Sep 6, 2005 at 12:49:04 am

the day someone turns me down based on my casual (not tacky) way of clothes selection over my way of approaching the edit is when do something news worthy. suits are two to three steps away from me in the chain of command, so why the hell should i look like one of them? hmm!!



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Abehjha
Re: Look of Success, or Look of Creative
on Sep 7, 2005 at 2:15:13 am

I'm so glad no one expects us to wear a suit in this industry. With the heat generated by all the equipment in the edit suite with no windows and closed doors, a suit just isn't practical. In fact, i haven't worn a tie to work since i was an apprentice and even then it was only for screenings. A tie just wasn't practical because there was always the fear would get caught while running the Steenbeck or re-winding reels. As i moved up the edit chain i've gone more casual, slacks and sweaters in the Fall/Winter, shorts and t-shirts in the Spring/Summer. However, I still dress up for screenings.


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Walter Biscardi
Re: Look of Success, or Look of Creative
on Sep 2, 2005 at 12:43:19 pm

I believe you dress appropriate for the situation.

My facility is designed to be laid back and casual for the client with whimsical paint schemes and room designs. The first time I meet any client in my place, I'm sure to either have a nice pair of jeans / slacks with a button down shirt and casual dress shoes. Casual professional I'd call it. Depending on how the client dresses, I will wear dress shorts and clean t-shirts for sessions.

Whenever editing out of house at agencies or client locations, I always wear the slacks / jeans with a button down shirt for first meetings. I want to dress appropriate for their facility and dress code. If the facility is very casual, I'll dress in in shorts, t-shirts, etc....

First meetings with corporate clients generally calls for slacks and a sport jacket. Subsequent meetings and work at these locations will call for a dress code similar to what's expected of the client's staff. I don't think it's right to simply say "well I'm a creative guy so I'm not going to dress like you folks."

Big don'ts in my book.
Never ever wear anything with holes in it. I don't care if it's "fashion" that doesn't play in my book.

Never ever wear anything that can be remotely offensive or controversial, especially some t-shirts with what you might consider "funny."

Above all always remember, first impressions are everything. Look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself, "would you trust that person with your project?"

Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Creative Genius, Biscardi Creative Media
http://www.biscardicreative.com

Now in Production, "The Rough Cut," http://www.theroughcutmovie.com

Now editing "Good Eats" in HD for the Food Network

"I reject your reality and substitute my own!" - Adam Savage, Mythbusters


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grinner
Re: Look of Success, or Look of Creative
on Sep 8, 2005 at 3:06:12 pm

I'm sittin here in shorts, a t-shirt and bare feet. Thats how I edit.
In a pitch, I usually go ahead and put on my sandles.

I use to go to job interviews wearing sandles and t-shirt. Just part of the imnterviewing process for me. It's not like I'd show up everyday for work in a golf shirt and dockers so I saw no reason to front that in an interview. If I had a person that was put off by my attire, it saved both of us time and frustration down the road by my weeeding them out from the get go. At the same time, if they dug that and my tie-dyed resume, I figured we'd probably hit it off ok for 60 hours every week.
There are times for nice dress but someone usually has to die or get married for that. Getting new bidness or pushing buttons doesn't require anything more than comfort out of me.
so, look of success or creative?
I dunno, man. I don't really look.



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Steven L. Gotz
Re: Look of Success, or Look of Creative
on Sep 12, 2005 at 3:16:50 am

Bare feet is OK for sitting down, but if you stand while editing, as many people do, I suggest shoes with arch support of some sort will allow you to work longer.

Steven
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Charlie King
Re: Look of Success, or Look of Creative
on Sep 12, 2005 at 4:33:53 pm

[Steven L. Gotz] "if you stand while editing, as many people do"

Ya know, I keep hearing this. Tried it myself. Problem is, I rock while editing. Ya can't rock when you are standing. Rocking relaxes me and helps my juices flow. So I will remain seated as long as I have a chair that rocks.

Charlie



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grinner
Re: Look of Success, or Look of Creative
on Sep 14, 2005 at 2:25:51 am

I've tried it too. I fel rushed when standing. Guess that comes from standing in lines or something but I couldn't do 16 hour sessions on my feet.
I have everything set up as ergonomicly freidny for me as possibly but no matter what I do, I can't seem to get that piercing pain under my right shoulder blade from happening. It'll get me up out of the chair sometimes. Sometimes the skin is numb there but the pain continues deeper.
Anybody else get this?



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AVID_CHUMP
Re: Look of Success, or Look of Creative
on Sep 14, 2005 at 1:02:31 pm

Grinner

Im kinda similar, pain in my lower back - hurts like hell.

Think it comes from sessions when im leaning forward too much, almost hunched over my keyboard like quasimodo, scared someone will steal it from me when im making good ground!!!

Seriously it hurts though, and i've never found a cure, tried chairs by the dozen they didnt solve it.


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Matt2005
Re: Look of Success, or Look of Creative
on Sep 17, 2005 at 3:22:10 pm

grinner- my holistic chiropractor gave me some advice-- just use Vioxx
once in a while and if you're lucky (like me) shooting pains & numbness
can go away.


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Mike Cohen
Re: Look of Success, or Look of Creative
on Sep 27, 2005 at 11:36:30 pm

For a while I was sitting on a yoga ball. Reduces the leaning forward, but obviously you have no arm support. But it reminds you to keep your back straight.

I have only sat in an Aeron chair once or twice, but that supposedly makes a difference.

There is another type of highly adjustable task chair which costs about 400 clams, trying to remember the name of it, but it is a good one.

As for dress - I wear kakhis, jeans or cargo pants and a sportshirt or polo type shirt 99% of the time. The suits come out for trade shows or shoots at conferences. We used to wear ties when clients came to the office, but now business casual is ok. Visits to a client is sport coat and tie, unless it is Friday, you can often lose the tie.

The best attire is for shoots in the operating room - those scrubs are like wearing pajamas - unless you get the tyvek jump suit - pure sweat.

I agree with the others, unless you work in a strict corporate setting where everyone wears a suit, or ad agency suit=loot, wear what you are comfy in.

Or do what I do - wear what the boss wears.



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Chaz Shukat
Re: Look of Success, or Look of Creative
on Oct 4, 2005 at 6:17:25 pm

I dress for comfort but I also like to look good. Consequently I find myself more dressed up than most of the editors I see. It also gives off an air of success. But certainly no suit or tie, even on a job interview or meeting a client. An editor would look ridiculous dressed like that. Most of the time the person that is interviewing me is dressed more casually than I am, so I stay in the middle of the road.

As for the pain in the arm, I have developed that too. I have it right now. It's definitely an ergonomic situation, but the bottom line is that it's probably some form of carpol tunnel problem. I think the only way to deal with it is to force yourself to stop every hour or so, take a break for 5 minutes and do some loosening up exercises for your wrist, arm, neck, shoulders, back, and legs. Try to sit with your back straight and feet flat on the floor. I can't seem to sit this way, I have terrible posture and can't get comfortable that way. But at least try the breaks and exercises. It's scarry to think if the pain became so bad that you couldn't do the job you love. You also need to take care of your eyes, they are fairly necessary to doing your job as well.


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