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Mark Suszko
Ant Man
on Jul 19, 2015 at 11:31:05 pm
Last Edited By Mark Suszko on Jul 19, 2015 at 11:39:32 pm

Since this film had a tumultuous development process with seven credited screenwriters and switching directors in mid-stream, I had fears that the film would not hold together when finished, but I have to say, I think it works. I had a great time, the story hit all the right notes, and moved along well while never seeming rushed. If anything, it's slightly less frenetic pacing compared to Avengers made the spots of humor throughout work well. While Marvel took a few liberties with the comic book versus movie version, as it has in the other Avengers-related stories, the slight re-writes of the origin work just fine, while getting the characters to more or less the same place, and non-comic nerds will never notice or appreciate the character surgery involved. I don't know how much of Edgar Wright's allegedly incredible script survived after he left, but I'm guessing it remained the main foundation.

Of all the Marvel comic stories brought to the screen so far, this one might be the most kid-friendly for younger kids. Hank Pym's domestic violence was written out, and some key scenes are pitched around Rudd's little but overly-wise-and-grounded-for-her-age-daughter and her toys. B-plots circle around families disrupted by divorce and by disaster, with the survivors in both cases struggling to find a way to rebuild and move forward together.

Paul Rudd's likeability in his role is the glue holding the whole thing together, and he grounds the story, keeping it all relatable. You're too busy relating to him to start over-analyzing the "science" behind the Shrinking and growing tech. Douglas gives a comic-book-type performance that is note-perfect. Evangeline Lilly gets the most character development in this film as one of Rudd's mentors. The camera just seems to hang on her longer than everyone else.

There's a flashback scene that opens the film where they digitally make Michael Douglas' Doctor Pym look much younger, and it's maybe the best special effect in the movie. That's saying something in a movie that is pretty much stunning wall to wall FX shots. The battle scenes are truly epic in macro and micro scale, full of equal amounts humor and thrills.

Fans of the animated show "Archer" will see what the voice behind Pam Poovey looks like on a real actress.

Stan's cameo is near the very very end.

There are TWO extra end-credit scenes to see, so sit thru to the actual END of ALL the credits. It ties Ant Man into the next Avengers movie.


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Stephen Smith
Re: Ant Man
on Jul 20, 2015 at 2:41:10 pm

I'm glad the film was good. I was a little nervous about Ant Man. I guess if Marvel could make a movie with a tree that doesn't really say anything one of the best movies of the year Marvel could make Ant Man work. Where would you say this film ranks against the other Marvel films?

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Mike Cohen
Re: Ant Man
on Jul 20, 2015 at 2:58:29 pm

I bet Disney would be interested in making a movie about a man who accidentally shrinks his kids down to the size of ants and then has to try to find them in the back yard. It could be called "Ant Kids" or "Honey, I Made the Kids The Size of Ants" - what do you think of that Bob Iger?

Rick Moranis would be perfect for this, unless he is already busy making Spaceballs 2: The Search for More Money.


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Stephen Smith
Re: Ant Man
on Jul 20, 2015 at 3:07:51 pm

Director Peyton Reed directed the pre show for Honey I Shrunk the Kids live. The director went back and watched all of the shrinking movies he could think of for research which includes Honey I Shrunk the Kids. What happened to Rick Moranis? That is a name I haven't heard in a long time.

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Mark Suszko
Re: Ant Man
on Jul 20, 2015 at 3:45:53 pm

Rick retired to enjoy his family, but he still does gigs as a country and western singer.

How to "stack" this in relation to the other Marvel movies, that's a hard question to answer... it's a little funnier/goofier than Iron Man, emphasizes teamwork, like The Avengers, while building around a single character's development, like Spider Man.


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Scott Roberts
Re: Ant Man
on Jul 21, 2015 at 4:40:33 pm

Here's all my micro thoughts on Ant-Man:

-Michael Peña won the movie for me, which might be a little sad considering I was desperately craving the comic relief character, but he's legitimately funny in this. When does Michael Peña *not* do awesome, though?

-The action scenes, when they come around, are pretty good. Particularly the ones at the end. You can kinda tell some of the stuff is based on what Edgar Wright was planning on doing with the action. The shrinking/growing back-and-forth action is very cool.

-I liked the overall concept/approach of the movie, because it eliminated the need for a straight up origin story just by using a couple of scenes of Hank Pym exposition. Like, I get it, he's a scientist, he invented the "Pym Particle", he can shrink when he wears the suit, now he's old and doesn't want to do it anymore. What more do you need on that front? It was fine.

-The heist itself was really fun. It's probably not that hard to make a goofy heist scene fun though, right? [looks at Tower Heist DVD] [slowly pushes it in garbage] [haha, just kidding, I don't own Tower Heist on DVD]

-The Baskin Robbins jokes were pretty funny. When Ant-Man wanted to be a good comedy, it landed the jokes pretty well.

-I agree with Mark big time; the make-up/special effects that made Michael Douglas look 30 years younger in the first scene were incredible.

-The film, as a whole, almost completely lacked any kind of emotional payoff. I never really felt anything heartfelt for any of the characters, even when they were really trying to make me do so. I wish the movie could carry 50x the emotional weight of a regular superhero movie. See what I did there? That's an ant joke. [clears throat uncomfortably]

-The first two-thirds of the movie are, I don't know, kinda bland? It's still entertaining, but it's not really anything to write home about. But don't get me wrong, the final act is fantastic. I wish the whole movie was like the last 40 minutes, but it's not. Or conversely, I wish this was a 95 minute movie instead of a 125 minute movie.

-They ruined one of the best action sequences in the film (the toy train stuff) in pretty much every trailer and commercial. That joke would have killed if it was a surprise. Instead, it got a "Heh heh heehhh" from most of the audience. Also, by showing it in the marketing, it made the movie even more predictable, because as the climax progressed, it was very obvious to realize "Oh, the bad guy is going to go to Lang's daughter's house before this is over." The movie overall was fairly predictable.

-Also the bad guy (played by Corey Stoll, who I like on The Strain), didn't really have clear motivations as to why he turned completely evil. I get that he resented Pym for pushing him away, but there was barely any indication as to why he went full super-villain. They kind of mention that the particle technology alters people's brain waves. And when I say "kind of mention", I mean kind of mention. It seemed like a cheap, brushed over answer. But anyway, they basically lifted the exact same bald, evil, ex-business partner, weapons manufacturer villain concept from the first Iron Man movie. Like, EXACT same.

-Forget the shrinking tech, the villain's failed shrink ray that reduces any living tissue to a one square inch glob of puss is ALSO a pretty great weapon!

-Was it just me, or did Paul Rudd seem like he kinda didn't want to be in this movie?

-There were probably five minutes of ant training montages too many. I GET IT. I guess if you're really into ants, this is an incredible experience for you. Congratulations. I don't like ants. Like, in real life. I hate ants. I'll make sure to delete this post later when they become our eventual overlords.

-The theater audience was probably 1/4th spazzy, running-all-over-the-place children. Seriously, just sit down and stop moving. I was in an aisle seat, and at least 10 kids full-on sprinted up and down the stairs right next to me over the course of the film, stomping their feet as loudly as possible. IT'S LIKE THIS SUPERHERO MOVIE WAS MADE FOR CHILDREN OR SOMETHING?!

-The first Avengers tie-in dialogue in the movie was a pretty good joke, but then they took it next-level with the unnecessary synergy by having one of the Avengers show up in a (admittedly fun) throwaway scene. For like 45 minutes there, you could almost imagine this movie was trying to do its own thing. But nope, it needs all the #TIE-IN MATERIALS it can get. Because, remember, you're not just watching a Marvel movie, you're watching the twelfth part of a fifty-nine part saga. I think I would have been cool with Ant-Man just existing solely in this film, cutting out the Avengers stuff, and having it be more concise overall. Just a really tight, fun heist movie with a superhero. And then we never hear from him again. But that's just not how it's ever going to be.

Guardians of the Galaxy may be the only Marvel movie that (kinda) just works on its own. I'm sure GOTG 2 will have a few forced Dr. Strange and Miss Marvel tie-ins, because it's going to be less its own franchise than it is part of a cinematic brand. Man, I got really bitter with this bullet point. Maybe it's because I really want to like all these superhero movies, but they are just becoming more "yeah, it was decent, I guess", than "Wow! That was incredible!". I barely even remember Age of Ultron at this point. That's sad. They're not making bad movies, but (other than GOTG) they aren't making stuff I'm really craving anymore.



And even though I clearly said more negative things than nice things, I still didn't think this was a bad movie. It's just, like, a fun concept almost drowning in its own flaws. I'd watch it again, but I'm not really excited about it in any way. I'm not sure how memorable it's going to be in the long run, either. I'd recommend Ant-Man, but I wouldn't tell you to drop everything you're doing and rush out to see Ant-Man. It can probably wait for Redbox/HBO/Netflix. I think if Marvel wants to keep things exciting in the future, they need to bring on the guys like Edgar Wright, and then KEEP them, and let them do whatever they want. Scaring them away with their corporate branding notes is probably just going to create more average-ish movies like this. Which I doubt bothers them, because they make their money no matter what. Which makes me wonder why they don't just let the directors have crazy freedom, if they know they'll get their money anyway? Making a weird Marvel movie is probably the least financially risky situation to make a weird movie in.


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Mark Suszko
Re: Ant Man
on Jul 21, 2015 at 7:15:17 pm

Like I said; they aimed this one at the younger kids. That's why there's more cool ant stuff, and that's why they only very vaguely alluded to the domestic violence aspect of Hank Pym's wife-beating, as well as his multiple personality changes in the comics over the years (some as a bad guy). They basically white-washed the comics continuity version and gave a more streamlined and less-dark back-story to Pym. That's also why they get away with such thin development of the bad guy Cross' character. He *is* just a generic bad guy. And why they stress the dad/step-dad/mom tension leading into a warm detente', which I imagine is wish fulfillment for every child of divorced parents.

As to giving away that he's going to attack the family home and kid, that isn't much different than when it was done in The Incredibles.


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