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Scott Roberts
Honest Obi-Wan
on Oct 24, 2011 at 8:13:14 pm


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Stephen Smith
Re: Honest Obi-Wan
on Oct 24, 2011 at 8:23:16 pm

Ha Ha, that is great.

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Ken Boyer
Re: Honest Obi-Wan
on Oct 25, 2011 at 4:43:34 am

Ok, I've never posted to this forum before, but I just about blew cheap red wine through my nose laughing at this one. That's hilarious!


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Jeff Breuer
Re: Honest Obi-Wan
on Oct 25, 2011 at 3:18:10 pm


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Mark Suszko
Re: Honest Obi-Wan
on Nov 8, 2011 at 5:58:01 pm

When you start to analyze it, Empire Strikes Back turns Ben Kenobi into a lying bastard.

in the first movie (AKA A New Hope)"Your father wanted you to have this, when you were old enough. But your Uncle wouldn't allow it. ...It's your father's Light Saber."

Anakin didn't know he had a son. There's nntohing to establish that he told Aob-Wan that padme was pregannt or carrying his bastard kid(s) and that Anakin sure would love to give the kid his light saber some day. Therefore Ben's line becomes a lie. And he makes out Owen Lars to kind of a D*** about everything, when really, the Skywalker family brought the Lars clan little but misery, in exchange for years of risk sheltering the kid.

I'm not even sure in the lava fight scene that Anakin's saber even survives to be picked up by Obi-Wan and held for the son that nobody at that point knows Anakin had. Might have happened offscreen, I'll allow. But more likely it joined his limbs in the lava when Kenobi make julienne fries out of Anakin's limbs.

That continuity damage is all because Lucas is in fact not that clever of a writer.

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Mike Cohen
Re: Honest Obi-Wan
on Nov 9, 2011 at 8:16:21 pm

As an 18 year old hot rodder, Luke was not mature enough to deal with the truth about his father's death. As far as Luke was told by his non-biologic uncle Owen, Anakin Skywalker was a navigator on a spice freighter and probably killed in an accident. Luke was also probably told that his teacup Bantha was sent to live on a farm.

Owen knew the magnitude of the Anakin situation if only from reading the newspaper and from what Obi-Wan told him and Beru. Presumably Obi-Wan had more than one meeting with the Lars over the years. In a recent novel about the life and times of Darth Vader, it was revealed that Obi-Wan didn't know Anakin survived right away. He simply delivered Luke and Leia to Lars and Organa to protect them from Palpatine.

It was months later while sitting in a cantina on Tatooine that Obi-Wan saw a news story on tv about Darth Vader being the new sheriff in town. At some point Vader became Tarkin's bi$%ch and was basically shown little respect by Palpatine almost from the start. Anakin must have realized he didn't make out so well.

I think Obi-Wan did pick up Anakin's saber from the shores of the lava river on Mustafar. Obi-Wan changed his name to Ben so as to not arouse the interest of locals. Obi-Wan Kenobi was one of the leading generals in the Clone Wars and was a household name perhaps even in the Outer Rim planets. Kenobi was perhaps a common surname so Ben was as good a choice as any.

As Ben observed Luke from a distance (and must have had some dealings directly (Luke clearly knew Ben prior to Episode IV but had not seen him for a while until the Tusken Raider attack "Ben? Ben Kenobi? Boy am I glad to see you!")) he was concocting his plan for getting Luke to become a Jedi. Perhaps Luke already had some Jedi traits, as piloting a T-16 Skyhopper through the narrows of Devil's Canyon and hitting womprats with his crude laser cannons while moving at high rates of speed requires great reflexes. So Ben knew Luke would one day be ready, but perhaps he did not anticipate how it would all go down.

Or did he?

At the end of Episode III, Yoda teaches Obi-Wan to communicate with Qui-Gon Jinn who had become one with the force. So perhaps Qui-Gon had some influence over Obi-Wan's game of lies. Qui-Gon was known to freelance from the Jedi way.

Exhibit A: Obi-Wan's reaction to R2-D2, "I don't seem to remember owning a droid." Jedi don't own anything, but Obi-Wan certainly had droids in his service and he most certainly had numerous adventures with R2-D2. 3PO had his memory erased at the end of Episode III but R2, a simply mechanic, retained his memory presumably for the next 20 years. While not capable of verbal communication, R2 clearly had more of an intellect than your average astromech and knew what he was doing when Leia gave him the message to find Obi-Wan.

Bail Organa had obviously told Leia stories of Obi-Wan and she knew he was the only one who could help. Bail knew that Obi-Wan went into hiding on Tatooine.

All of that said, Obi-Wan was justified in lying to Luke. Luke's journey has been compared to his Bar-Mitzvah - he learned the rituals of becoming a Jedi but at such a tender age that his mind was not ready for the burden of the truth. He faced Vader on Bespin physically but his intellect was still on Tatooine servicing moisture vaporators and playing stick ball with Biggs and drinking blue milk floats at Toshi Station.

Thus, Obi-Wan told Luke more of the truth than he got from his uncle. "Anakin was betrayed and murdered by Darth Vader," rather than "Anakin killed a bunch of children and your mother and then became Darth Vader. Oh and that hot chick in the hologram is your sister so keep your lightsaber in your pants." A bit easier to manage.

Obi-Wan went on to say in Jedi that it was he who trained Anakin, rather than Yoda, and that basically Anakin went bad because Obi-Wan did a poor job teaching him. Also not really true but perhaps that was guilt about failing to keep his Padawan focused on the Jedi way. Presumably Anakin's initial training was by Yoda and other Jedi before Obi-Wan took over. Not really sure at what age a Padawan gets a master. Qui-Gon did make Obi-Wan promise to train Anakin, so who knows, maybe Yoda bent the rules in which case they were both responsible.

So Obi-Wan was trying to lessen the blow.

Or not.

Maybe Lucas did not really have this all worked out in 1975 and he simply kept manipulating the story in order to keep making movies and selling toys. I think it might be somewhere in the middle.
Here's a synopsis of an early draft of Episode IV which supports the claim that a lot of the Star Wars story we know and love was perhaps made up in the editing room!,_Episode_I:_The...

Whew, look at the time.

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