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craig shell
questions regarding Red Camera work flow
on Mar 6, 2010 at 11:19:21 pm

I have two questions regarding Red Camera work flow.
I have an Intel Mac notebook, not a Pro. But it has a 120 HD and 2G of ram.
I am running quick-time 7.6.4
Final Cut Pro 5.0.4
OSX 10.4.11
My first question is: If I download Red quick-time codec to my computer, will I be able to view the the associated Red quick-time files with FCP 5.0.4 and do I need to upgrade FCP to 6.2 ? Or is the version if FPC, even an issue when dealing with the Red quick-time files?
Second Question: Once I have rendered the raw Red Files and have them on a external hard drive, will I be able to view and edit them on my notebook using FPC 5.0.4 ??


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gary adcock
Re: questions regarding Red Camera work flow
on Mar 7, 2010 at 12:59:21 pm

[craig shell] "will I be able to view the the associated Red quick-time files with FCP 5.0.4 and do I need to upgrade FCP to 6.2 "

you will be able to view in RED Alert or RedCine but not to handle the files in FCP with out conversion to DVCPROHD or uncompressed

The minimum to view RED Content is FCP 6.02-the current version of FCP is 7.01.


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Noah Kadner
Re: questions regarding Red Camera work flow
on Mar 7, 2010 at 6:14:03 pm

And you would not be able to run FCP 6 or 7 on a stock MacBook. In other words you are not suited at all for RED footage with that gear- sorry. :) You'd want to move up to at least a MacBook Pro if not a powerful high-end Mac Pro, and FCP 7.

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Russell Lasson
Re: questions regarding Red Camera work flow
on Mar 8, 2010 at 6:23:22 am

I would just add that if you need to work with RED footage, you hire someone to transcode it for you to DVCPROHD. Or upgrade to FCP 7 (what, like $300) and work with ProRes. Then either finish with DVCPROHD or ProRes, or hire someone else to do the finishing work.

Noah, will FCP 7 run on that MacBook, just not Color and Motion? I don't remember the specifics.

But Noah is completely right, a regular MacBook's graphics card is completely under powered for pro work.

-Russ

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Noah Kadner
Re: questions regarding Red Camera work flow
on Mar 8, 2010 at 4:06:12 pm

FCS itself won't install. Of course you can workaround this if you really want to. But yeah cutting RED footage on a MacBook is like painting a house with a toothpick.

Noah

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Stuart Ferreyra
Re: questions regarding Red Camera work flow
on Mar 8, 2010 at 4:24:10 pm

[Noah Kadner] "painting a house with a toothpick. "
Good one! :)

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Illya Laney
Re: questions regarding Red Camera work flow
on Mar 10, 2010 at 12:10:42 am

I was cutting $200,000 and $600,000 Sony and LG commercials with RED proxies on my 3 year old black MacBook almost 2 years ago. Not sure what you guys are talking about, maybe you just never owned a totally awesome black Macbook. This is no joke though. Of course I did the online on a MacPro, transcoding on a Macbook would make me want to blow my brains out.

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Illya Laney
Re: questions regarding Red Camera work flow
on Mar 10, 2010 at 12:11:57 am

By the way, if you don't believe me, I'll post a video of it. Only problem I encountered was that my old Macbook can't run Color.

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Noah Kadner
Re: questions regarding Red Camera work flow
on Mar 10, 2010 at 3:14:57 am

Oh I don't doubt it. You could also bicycle across the U.S. if you really had to but you don't really have to... I'm a big fan of spend a little more up front on the best gear and value your own time rather than saving a few bucks and waiting much longer for things to render, etc. But that's not everybody's philosophy.

Noah

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Illya Laney
Re: questions regarding Red Camera work flow
on Mar 10, 2010 at 5:38:47 am

2 years ago an agency had me travel to San Francisco for a new Sony Campaign...I couldn't exactly bring my studio with me so I brought my black 13" Macbook. I got the R3D's, started cutting proxies on set, went to a coffee shop and finished the rough cut while they were shooting the next spot. Rinse and repeat...a couple days later we onlined at my friend's studio in his apartment(a very nice apartment though). They had RED Rushes running during the offline so when the cut was locked, everything was done transcoding. We got the job(production included) because we did it cheap and saved the ad agency about $40,000.

Believe me, I love gear just as much as the next guy but the gear doesn't get you the job and sometimes a lame black 13" Macbook can make you thousands of dollars. You don't necessarily need to spend a ton of cash to make a ton of cash is my point.

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craig shell
Re: questions regarding Red Camera work flow
on Mar 10, 2010 at 7:17:37 pm

Lllya

It sounds like you have the same 3 year old Mac book as I have?

What level of FCP were you using and what OSX ???

I need yo clarify for you guys, I am the producer on this project not the editor.

I mostly wanted to look at dallies in quick time.

I was able to more or less accomplish that using a download from red even though it says it was not compatible with my OSX, go figure ??

The other issue I waned to address, Is I would like to do a ruff cut for a trailer. and send it

over for the editors to refine or duplicate.
lastly I would like to get updates on the editing sent over to me on an external hard drive and view them on my notebook in the highest resolution possible given the limitations of my computer.

Thanks for all the advice.




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Noah Kadner
Re: questions regarding Red Camera work flow
on Mar 10, 2010 at 8:07:09 pm

Sure all of that is doable- but you'll be fighting your computers specs the whole way.

Noah

Check out my book: RED: The Ultimate Guide to Using the Revolutionary Camera!
Unlock the secrets of 24p, HD and Final Cut Studio with Call Box Training. Featuring the Sony EX1 Guidebook, Panasonic HVX200, Canon EOS 5D Mark II and Canon 7D.
Watch Formosa- My indie movie shot with the SDX900 and finished with Final Cut Studio.


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Illya Laney
Re: questions regarding Red Camera work flow
on Mar 10, 2010 at 8:56:55 pm

"And you would not be able to run FCP 6 or 7 on a stock MacBook"

You said earlier that you couldn't run FCP 6 or 7 on a stock Macbook which couldn't be farther from the truth. You can install the studio, Color just won't start up(Color will tell you that the computer doesn't have the proper graphics card), but everything else runs alright. No need to tell this guy to spend thousands of dollars when he can do an offline edit just fine on his Macbook with "_M" proxies. If he upgrades to FCP 6 or 7 and sets up his video playback quality to Dynamic, there shouldn't be any problems.

Who here has actually owned an Intel Macbook(not a Macbook Pro)?

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Illya Laney
Re: questions regarding Red Camera work flow
on Mar 10, 2010 at 9:11:40 pm

First off it's "illya" not "lilya." Haha.

This was over a couple years ago so I had the latest version of OSX and FCP 6 at that time. Right now I have the latest Leopard and the latest version of FCP 6. I haven't upgraded to Snow Leopard and FCP 7 because everything is super stable on my system right now and a lot of people still use FCP 6. I just finished editing and grading an Adidas commercial with RED proxies on my Mac Pro and didn't have any hitches with that.

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Craig Herron
Re: questions regarding Red Camera work flow
on Mar 23, 2010 at 5:38:18 pm

I'm looking to get a new Mac of some sort in order to use Red footage in After Effects. I am on a tight budget and need to get the most for my money. What do you recommend? I was looking at the iMacs with 8 gigs of ram and the higher end graphics card. Will the Duo core machines work or does it need to be a Quad core? I was thinking about the 27" but I'm hearing bad things about that screen.

Thanks
Craig Herron


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