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Eric Hansen
RED Rocket doesnt work with AJA?
on Feb 25, 2010 at 7:48:46 pm

so i just read in an earlier post that a RED Rocket and any AJA capture card can't coexist in the same computer. kinda funny because i was just on Maxx Digital's site reading about the Mobile Rocket RAID that's basically a PCIe expander with storage built in: http://maxxdigital.com/shop/index.php?cPath=153&osCsid=4aff2b22e9ad19358f45...

it doesn't say you can or can't put your AJA card in one of the slots for editing, but that's all they're talking about over at Reduser.net in regards to this thing.

will the RED Rocket not work with any capture card? we want to put one in our finishing computer (mostly just color correction with Color and printing to tape). but its now sounding like that wont work.

we're running an Ethernet SAN. since it's mostly for transcoding to ProResHQ, could we put the RED Rocket in our Mac Pro SAN server? RED tells me that it wants a 8x slot. But both the ATTO R380 card and Small-Tree 6 port ethernet card want 8x too. what would be the optimal card arrangement for the Mac Pro server? its a Early 2009, which has two 4x slots and two 16x slots. has anyone moved the Nvidia graphics card to a 4x slot? could we even ditch the graphics card for something like the Newertech USB to DVI converter? its just a server anyway.

lots of questions. thanks guys

e

Eric Hansen - The Audio Visual Plumber - http://www.avplumber.com


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Eric Hansen
Re: RED Rocket doesnt work with AJA?
on Feb 25, 2010 at 8:11:31 pm

[Bob Zelin] "4) is there somewhere on the http://www.red.com website I can find info like this without having to plow thru reduser.net ?"

[Arnie] You know, reduser.net is a good enough reason for me to prefer SI2K.

funniest stuff i've read in awhile. Reduser.net is terrible. Jannard posts something in the morning and by the afternoon there's 20 freaking pages of replies. i've been looking for info on RED Rocket on red.com and the only things they provide are the store page to buy it and the installer download. i got the download to read the manual (which is just an installation manual) and i didn't see anything in there about the card not working with other capture cards.

Reduser.net has the worst signal to noise ratio i've ever seen in a forum.

e

Eric Hansen - The Audio Visual Plumber - http://www.avplumber.com


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Eric Hansen
Re: RED Rocket doesnt work with AJA?
on Feb 25, 2010 at 8:16:08 pm

i forgot, our color correction/finishing computer is an Early 2009 Mac Pro 8 core 2.26 with an AJA LHi card and a Small-Tree single port ethernet card. we're thinking about adding an SAS card for local high-speed storage for dealing with uncompressed footage.

thanks

e

Eric Hansen - The Audio Visual Plumber - http://www.avplumber.com


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Bob Zelin
Re: RED Rocket doesnt work with AJA?
on Feb 26, 2010 at 1:47:09 pm

oh my God Eric, have your client put a crow bar in his wallet, and buy another MAC for $3000 bucks.
He is shooting with RED, he has money, he owns a SAN, he wants to buy a $5000 RedRocket card, certainly they can afford another MAC.

And to respond to your reduser.net statements - gee Eric, you look so good today, and thanks so much for your comments, I can't wait to meet you at NAB, and what's that cool thing you are looking thru in the picture of yourself ? Now, I love to hear myself talk, but what is up with 99% of the people on reduser.net ?



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Stuart Ferreyra
Re: RED Rocket doesnt work with AJA?
on Feb 26, 2010 at 3:17:26 pm

I am not going to elaborate on this but I can give you a tip. If a Mac is too expensive, there are ways to make a RedRocket work on a Windows machine running OSX.

Stuart Ferreyra
Timecode Multimedia
Colorist / Post Supervisor
West Los Angeles, CA

- Visit our studio's website.
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- Duplication, Mastering and Teranex Conversions.


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gary adcock
Re: RED Rocket doesnt work with AJA?
on Feb 26, 2010 at 2:59:40 pm

[Eric Hansen] "will the RED Rocket not work with any capture card? we want to put one in our finishing computer (mostly just color correction with Color and printing to tape). but its now sounding like that wont work. "


Why would you bog down a finishing machine to do dailies and file conversions when any old mac desktop would handle that function.

This makes no logical sense to use the most powerful and profitable part of most editing projects - color correction- subjugated to the lowly duty of conversions.

MHO The RR does not gain enough processing power from the CPU to put it in anything other than a quad, the 8 cores only show moderate improvements- and all of them due to the transfer off the buss rather than the needs of the CPU.

One more time NO you cannot currently use the RR with any acquisition products other than those from DVS (and they do not currently work with FCP)


gary adcock
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Post and Production Workflows for the Digitally Inclined
Chicago, IL

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Eric Hansen
Re: RED Rocket doesnt work with AJA?
on Feb 26, 2010 at 3:45:06 pm

thanks for the responses guys. yes the RR is almost $5000, and yes a new Quad is $2500. getting another computer isnt a big deal. but i was more surprised than anything to read that it wouldnt work with another capture card. i thought people were using the RR to do 4k onlines. but its so hard to figure out what RED stuff does based on what's written on their website.

this is probably the wrong forum for this, but do you think it would work well in our Mac Pro SAN server? that way it would be connected to the SAS storage directly, and not on a system that would access it via gigabit. so the card would be able to transcode a bit faster than if running over gigabit. the server is our main transcoder for that reason, also one of the reasons we bought an 8 core instead of a quad for the server.

thanks

e

Eric Hansen - The Audio Visual Plumber - http://www.avplumber.com


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Russell Lasson
Re: RED Rocket doesnt work with AJA?
on Feb 26, 2010 at 3:59:23 pm

[Eric Hansen] "this is probably the wrong forum for this, but do you think it would work well in our Mac Pro SAN server? that way it would be connected to the SAS storage directly, and not on a system that would access it via gigabit. "

I would only do this if you're willing to let you're server crash every once in a while. It might not happen, but the more you do on that server, especially with RED, the more chance there is to have it hang up. The other problem is that if the RED Rocket is writing to local storage on the server, it could take a big hit to the performance of the rest of the network. If people are editing off of that server using Gigabit ethernet, then they'll likely start dropping frames.

Really, a basic Mac Pro (even a used one) should work fine as a transcoding station with a Mac Pro because the RR takes the load off of the processors and does all of the heavy lifting.

-Russ

Russell Lasson
Colorist/Digital Cinema Specialist
Color Mill
Salt Lake City, UT
http://www.colormill.net


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Michael Sacci
Re: RED Rocket doesnt work with AJA?
on Feb 26, 2010 at 6:09:58 pm

Refurbs are a way to save a few hundred bucks
http://store.apple.com/us/product/FB871LL/A?mco=MTEzMjY2NTA



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Bob Zelin
Re: RED Rocket doesnt work with AJA?
on Feb 27, 2010 at 10:45:46 pm

Eric -
you write -
"this is probably the wrong forum for this, but do you think it would work well in our Mac Pro SAN server"

Eric, Eric, Eric -
any processor intensive product that runs on an active server is going to crash the server. If you go to the grocery store, that uses a server for the cash registers, and run a video game on that server, all the cash registers will stop working.

Enough of this nonsense. Tell your client, there is no new BMW for his daughter this year - he is going to buy a MAC Pro, and be done with it. Then, you can run an ethernet cable from this MAC Pro (and the 1TB drive you stick in this MAC Pro to do the RocketCineX transfers), and once the transfers are done, drag all the transcoded files onto your SAN, and everyone can start editing right away.

Easy right ? All it takes is money, and your client with the Red Camera, shared storage systems, and all these edit rooms, who can also afford a Red Rocket, can CERTAINLY shell out another $2700 for a MAC Pro. No more questions on this subject, until I see a scanned receipt from the Apple Store for this computer.

End of story -
Bob Zelin




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Eric Hansen
Re: RED Rocket doesnt work with AJA?
on Feb 27, 2010 at 11:26:22 pm

thanks for all the info guys. answers are so much quicker here on the Cow than on Reduser. money isn't really an issue with this since its already a $5000 card. i'm just seeing what we can and can't do.

Bob writes: Tell your client, there is no new BMW for his daughter this year

she just turned 1, so you're probably right about that.

Bob writes: And to respond to your reduser.net statements - gee Eric, you look so good today, and thanks so much for your comments, I can't wait to meet you at NAB, and what's that cool thing you are looking thru in the picture of yourself ? Now, I love to hear myself talk, but what is up with 99% of the people on reduser.net ?

thanks, i can't wait to meet you at NAB also. in the picture, that's a Holga camera, a $15 plastic lens medium format toy camera. the more time i spend with cameras like the RED and Phantom, the more i go back to my Holga and Super 8 cameras. Wabi-sabi, the "Japanese art of appreciating the imperfect, the primitive, the incomplete."

actually, i think they're all just really excited geeks like the rest of us. but it does amaze me how much time they spend talking (and arguing) about something that doesn't exist.

e

Eric Hansen - The Audio Visual Plumber - http://www.avplumber.com


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