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sam dryden
5D vs Scarlet
on Nov 18, 2009 at 5:18:04 am

Has anyone compared these two cameras footage? Price is obvious but what about workflow and quality. They seem to be very similar.

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David Battistella
Re: 5D vs Scarlet
on Nov 18, 2009 at 12:57:31 pm



Has anyone seen an actual Scarlet Camera that shoots footage that can be compared?

I would imagine it is a version of what RED using REDCODE would look like.

David



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Noah Kadner
Re: 5D vs Scarlet
on Nov 18, 2009 at 9:27:05 pm

Yeah um hard to compare two items when one doesn't exist outside of an internal development lab. The Scarlet as I *imagine* it would definitely best the 5D- better sensor, codec and optics. But until we have a working camera, impossible to be sure.

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Steve Wargo
Re: 5D vs Scarlet
on Nov 19, 2009 at 7:06:12 am

The Scarlet will, most likely, never see the light of day. No market for it.

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Noah Kadner
Re: 5D vs Scarlet
on Nov 19, 2009 at 1:41:05 pm

Oh I think it will come out- just not as originally envisioned. As a $3,000 fixed lens prosumer camera- it gets beat by the Canon 5D Mark II and 7D.

But as a higher end interchangeable lens full frame sensor camera with a raw codec and a price range more like 7-10K- it is more a contender against an HPX300 or an EX3.

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Chris Borjis
Re: 5D vs Scarlet
on Nov 19, 2009 at 6:12:19 pm



and if you need something now....get the 5D don't wait.



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Graeme Nattress
Re: 5D vs Scarlet
on Nov 21, 2009 at 6:43:26 pm

I dunno, Noah. I think of the situations where I'd want a compact, high quality camera, and the fixed lens Scarlet really shines in them. All a bigger sensor gets you is less DOF, which won't be an advantage. There's no point in HD if it's not in focus! I know how many fixed lens Scarlets I personally want, and the number is not less than five.

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Noah Kadner
Re: 5D vs Scarlet
on Nov 21, 2009 at 10:53:51 pm

I'm with you I was thinking the OP is presumably asking what they can go out and buy right now. Of course if you wanna toss me a prototype to test drive, I'll definitely give my first-hand impressions. :)

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Uli Plank
Re: 5D vs Scarlet
on Nov 22, 2009 at 12:11:03 am

Five ?

Are you aiming at FullDome production?

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Brian Moore
Re: 5D vs Scarlet
on Dec 10, 2009 at 5:04:14 am

DOF is adjustable. A bigger sensor gives you the OPTION of a shallower DOF. Close the iris up and all of your HD footage is is crisp, clear focus.


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Russell Lasson
Re: 5D vs Scarlet
on Nov 24, 2009 at 4:59:33 am

[Steve Wargo] "The Scarlet will, most likely, never see the light of day. No market for it. "

I definitely disagree. I think that the $3k-$10k camera market is a very strong market. Add in a RED option in that price range and I think it will do quite well. Scarlet vs. the EX3? Even just comparing REDCODE to XDCAM, I think there will be quite a few takers.

-Russ

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David Battistella
Re: 5D vs Scarlet
on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:36:04 am



I've been reading through this thread and I find it pretty interesting.

I think that RED will offer a Scarlet for sure.

I think it will be the best of both the DSLR world and a great little cinema camera.

While I acknowledge the fact that DSLRs can shoot video, etc., it's really just an added feature as opposed to what I think the Scarlet will be and that is a camera, build from scratch that will really be designed to do both still and cinema very, very well. Maybe even with little or no compromise on either.

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David


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Gary Walker
Re: 5D vs Scarlet
on Nov 24, 2009 at 2:03:08 pm

I agree with this. A camera thats built from the ground up for film will surpass a DSLR that has the added capability to shoot film. As for its fixed-lens situation, I'm sure that letus, redroc and the wonderful SGblade are going to come up with a perfect solution (lightloss not withstanding).
Having used both the 5D & the 7D for film, I wasnt sold on either. People are getting results with it, but its just not for me - I want a tool that was designed to do what I want it to do.

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Russell Lasson
Re: 5D vs Scarlet
on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:19:54 pm

[Gary Walker] "I want a tool that was designed to do what I want it to do. "

I believe that one reason why RED has so much success is because a few years ago, both Sony and Panasonic never really came out with sub $100K products that were designed for filmmakers. All their cameras were based on ENG models and always felt like they were "news" cameras with some features filmmakers would like. It never felt like they were making a camera specifically designed for filmmakers from the ground up.

Now these Canon cameras are also in the same boat. They are still cameras with features that some video people will like. The 5D Mark II is a very nice camera, but lacks any sort of really codec for post. Comparing what REDCODE can do to what H.264 can do is a joke.

The 5D Mark II and other future cameras from Canon won't take much away from RED unless they 1. get a real codec and 2. design an actual camera body that can function well as either a still or movie camera.

I doubt the sensitivity of the Epic will compare to the new Canon cameras, but on everything else, RED is in a pretty safe area (for now).

-Russ

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David Battistella
Re: 5D vs Scarlet
on Nov 24, 2009 at 5:48:48 pm

[Russell Lasson] "RED is in a pretty safe area (for now). "

No kidding.. Just run the numbers. If they do 100 Tattoo RED's that will be 2.8 million in seed money for the EPIC beta program.

Assuming 1/2 of their current customers trade their R1 for an epic, another 40.25 million and the other half keep their R1 it would be another 68.25 million in revenue.

They are a lean machine, no baggage from the past or legacy products. They can watch what other people do and shift their products accordingly.

Very smart business and good products.

David




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Stuart Ferreyra
Re: 5D vs Scarlet
on Nov 25, 2009 at 11:15:05 pm

This coming NAB could be very interesting (unlike 2009).

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Gary Walker
Re: 5D vs Scarlet
on Nov 30, 2009 at 10:13:36 am

Red will announce BLUE, a camera that films 5k, for under $300, and it will have a coffee-out port.

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Noah Kadner
Re: 5D vs Scarlet
on Dec 1, 2009 at 2:48:31 am

[Stuart Ferreyra] "This coming NAB could be very interesting (unlike 2009)"

I tell myself that every year. But I'm wondering if it's actually the free booze and finger foods that are keeping me coming back.

Noah

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Chris Cardno
Re: 5D vs Scarlet
on Dec 1, 2009 at 5:01:37 pm

There's free booze?!?

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Russell Lasson
Re: 5D vs Scarlet
on Dec 1, 2009 at 8:14:59 pm

Noah is totally in the right crowd:)

-Russ

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Steve Wargo
Re: 5D vs Scarlet
on Dec 27, 2009 at 2:35:24 pm

[Gary Walker] "A camera thats built from the ground up for film"

Film? I thought these camera recorded a digital image on a card or disc drive.

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Steve Wargo
Re: 5D vs Scarlet
on Dec 27, 2009 at 2:31:48 pm

[Russell Lasson] "I think that the $3k-$10k camera market is a very strong market."

Excuse me but the Scarlet was promoted at "3K imaging for $3k. If they've changed their tune and now it's a different price, maybe it should have a new name.

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