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Peta Ridley
Post workflow for feature - ADVICE NEEDED
on Oct 18, 2009 at 10:27:33 pm

Hi all,

I'm seeking advice for a good, workable post workflow for a low-budget feature shot on RED at 4K.

Our first big hurdle is trying to work out the best method for encoding the rushes to Pro-res. When I have worked with RED work-flows in the past, we have always transcoded to Apple Pro Res HQ at 1920 x 1080, using Redcine. This has always been for short form projects and has been a good workflow, except that Redcine has always proved to be a nightmare to use and takes a long time to encode with a large volume of rushes.

We are therefore looking at converting the rushes using Log and Transfer, but my understanding of this at the moment is that files transcoded using this method will stay at 2048 resolution. Because of the volume of rushes and limited drive space, we are looking for a method which gives up reasonable file sizes...can anyone suggest a preferred work-flow? What is the most common workflow for low-budget features?

Also, does anyone have any experience of offlining using Pro-res quicktimes in Avid? Is this problematic?

Any advice greatly appreciated.


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Noah Kadner
Re: Post workflow for feature - ADVICE NEEDED
on Oct 19, 2009 at 4:47:26 am

REDrushes or Clipfinder do a faster/better job for processing large volumes of R3D to ProRes. But of course you also need to decide if 2K or HD ProRes is your offline or final format...

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Peta Ridley
Re: Post workflow for feature - ADVICE NEEDED
on Oct 19, 2009 at 7:54:54 am

Thanks for that - I will look at these packages.

The other information I guess I would need would be with regards to doing the conform. We were planning on doing the offline edit at PAL resolution, as a quick bit of maths worked out that creating the offline files at 2048 would create 3.5 TB of data. The project has to be split amongst a few editors, so data storage is an issue. Would there be any problems with editing at PAL, then comforming the edit back up to 2048 in the online? Also, does converting using Clipfinder create any meta-data that links the newly created Quicktime files with the original RED footage? Or is it just file names that it uses to re-link when doing the conform?

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Uli Plank
Re: Post workflow for feature - ADVICE NEEDED
on Oct 19, 2009 at 7:14:32 pm

Clipfinder is using the filenames, but you can always rename inside FCP to have your own naming scheme. It can conform back to R3D from PAL, but I tend to use DVCPro at 720p with 1/4 de-bayer. Very fast transcode (near realtime on a Mac Pro) and light enough even for older machines.

Regards,

Uli

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Noah Kadner
Re: Post workflow for feature - ADVICE NEEDED
on Oct 19, 2009 at 8:53:12 pm

Sure that would work- one caveat is make sure editors are picture editing only. Once effects start to get made and new pieces of media are generated good luck going back to the original files. Well at least good luck without a lot of extra busy work.

Noah

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Uli Plank
Re: Post workflow for feature - ADVICE NEEDED
on Oct 20, 2009 at 7:43:24 am

Absolutely! Offline editing needs to be restricted to editing for this workflow – no VFX …

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Russell Lasson
Re: Post workflow for feature - ADVICE NEEDED
on Oct 27, 2009 at 3:28:19 am

Or you could do ProRes Proxy at 720P. That will be a full raster codec and files sizes will even be smaller than DVCPROHD.

-Russ

Russell Lasson
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mark randal
Re: Post workflow for feature - ADVICE NEEDED
on Nov 9, 2009 at 7:15:21 am

Depending on your budget you can go with 1920x1080 or 2048x1556 workflow.

Are you later planning to transfer the footage to 35mm film and make release prints.



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mark randal
Re: Post workflow for feature - ADVICE NEEDED
on Nov 9, 2009 at 5:00:22 pm

Depending on your budget you can go with 1920x1080 or 2048x1556 workflow.

later if you are planning to transfer digital to 35mm film and make release prints, we can help you with that process with very low prices


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