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Anthony DeRose
Red Camera and Color Grading
on Sep 14, 2009 at 5:59:54 am

How do people color grade red raw footage when not having the funds for a extensive DI?

Can the CC tools in like FCP be used to bring life to the raw image or is RedAlert the way to go? Also can't you adjust the metadata in camera very specific if you know your not going to a DI? Meaning you can set the meta to 3200K and that just acts as like a filter over the raw image in post which can easily be taken off.

Haven't used the camera pretty much what I know is what I read and a seminar they had in class but have been confused with what you do with the image when you can't afford a DI and need to grade it.

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Noah Kadner
Re: Red Camera and Color Grading
on Sep 14, 2009 at 6:26:27 am

Sure if you have Color or even REDCINE alone you can do a pretty good color correction. Or rather I should say, it can be done. Having the tools and being good with them are two different things. Practice makes perfect...

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Neil Abeynayake
Re: Red Camera and Color Grading
on Sep 14, 2009 at 8:19:54 am

Amen Noah!

Anthony, what he (Noah) said was absolutely, 100% correct.

Also, RED camera captures and transcode in digital (.R3D) format. Since the capture was done digitally, there is no reason to have a DI session. DI is mainly for "Film" footage scanned and converted to a digital format (and back to either the original format or another format) that, a person could use a computer to do various things like color correction, grading, compositing and VFx etc.

Some folks still use legacy terms such as "footage" for digital captures. This is a misnomer. With all due respect to powers that are; Unless you are dealing with film or analog/digital magnetic tape formats, there is no point using terminologies that may confuse new comers to the industry. The correct terminology for digital capture is a "file" (or digital files).

If I am not mistaken, the factory (default) setting on the RED camera's image sensor is "Daylight" balanced i.e. 5600k. You could set the camera to capture at various color temps. I think it retains the RAW image capture at the default setting and will add metadata to the file to show you what you intended to see in the first place. (Noah or anyone, please correct me if I am wrong here).

And again, I might ruffle some feathers here. FCP may NOT be the ONLY solution that you have. There are other applications that are capable of color grade/time your RAW capture (at 2k or 4k resolution).


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Stuart Ferreyra
Re: Red Camera and Color Grading
on Sep 14, 2009 at 4:10:13 pm

[Neil Abeynayake] "FCP may NOT be the ONLY solution that you have. There are other applications that are capable of color grade/time your RAW capture (at 2k or 4k resolution)"

Yes, but none of those other solutions are as affordable (just to not say "cheap") as FCS is.

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Neil Abeynayake
Re: Red Camera and Color Grading
on Sep 15, 2009 at 1:10:37 am

[Stuart Ferreyra] "Yes, but none of those other solutions are as affordable (just to not say "cheap") as FCS is".

Thank you Stuart. In a way you are correct when you say that other solutions may not be as inexpensive as FCP.

I am not sure whether FCP in its current incarnation could handle RED RAW (.R3D) 4K files directly.

Many folks think that they have to "own" these other applications in order to get something done at their end. I have met people who are adamant that they HAVE to keep all applications they use, inside their computers and that computer must reside in "their" office, living room, bedroom whatever. There is nothing wrong with this idea if you can afford all the stuff that you dream of. However, there is a saying "You do not have to buy a cow to get your milk". Wise individuals may rent the time and resources from a post-house, to get the job done. Heck, if you network with right people, you may even get what you want for an affordable fee (or even barter).



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Noah Kadner
Re: Red Camera and Color Grading
on Sep 15, 2009 at 5:21:57 am

[Neil Abeynayake] "I am not sure whether FCP in its current incarnation could handle RED RAW (.R3D) 4K files directly."

If you're talking about Color 1.5, FCP 7, sure it can...

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Thad Ciechanowski
Re: Red Camera and Color Grading
on Sep 17, 2009 at 1:30:43 pm

What about Scratch? where can you get it? Will it do secondary CC of R3d's.

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Uli Plank
Re: Red Camera and Color Grading
on Sep 17, 2009 at 8:45:29 pm

Scratch is made by Assimilate.

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Russell Lasson
Re: Red Camera and Color Grading
on Sep 18, 2009 at 6:59:08 am

[Thad Ciechanowski] "What about Scratch? where can you get it? Will it do secondary CC of R3d's. "

Scratch is a great system for use with R3D files. Full color correction including secondaries and realtime playback. It's a very nice system.

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