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Redžinald Šimek
RED FCP 6 HD finishing
on Jul 12, 2009 at 8:37:16 pm

Hi, i'm just working on the short fiction with very short budget.
I'm finished with online edit of the project in HD Prores HQ on the Kona 3 card
and i need to do color correction as good as i can.
Master of the project is in HD.
I will do it in the FCP due budget limitation,
and do not have any options except to do it on the 30" Apple Cinema display as reference.

I just purchased Spyder 3 elite and my first question is about calibrating cinema display.
Which preset should i use and is there any additional stuff that i should care about?

I'm also planning to do some reframing of the shots, witch is the best way to do it?
We shot it at 4k, is there any way to use 4k due reframing?
Sorry for repeating questions on the forum but i don't have much time because production change my schedule.

thanks


simek


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Uli Plank
Re: RED FCP 6 HD finishing
on Jul 12, 2009 at 9:33:14 pm

Calibrate for Rec709.

Use Clipfinder (free) for reframing from 4K.

Regards,

Uli

Director of the Institute of Media Research (IMF) at Braunschweig University of Arts


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Redžinald Šimek
Re: RED FCP 6 HD finishing
on Jul 12, 2009 at 10:00:42 pm

Thank you very much for this, very helpful.
i just downloaded clipfinder but i don't have idea how to do reframing there.

thanks again


simek


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Redžinald Šimek
Re: RED FCP 6 HD finishing
on Jul 12, 2009 at 10:21:34 pm

i sort it out.

thanks



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David Battistella
Re: RED FCP 6 HD finishing
on Jul 13, 2009 at 1:54:11 am



Reframing is also an option if you use COLOR for the finish, final render and COlor Correction.

It has an excellent geometry tool build in and it might be cleaner to render the reframing from there.

David



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Uli Plank
Re: RED FCP 6 HD finishing
on Jul 13, 2009 at 4:39:25 am

Unfortunately Color is using only half of the resolution of 4K (or 3K) sources until today.

Director of the Institute of Media Research (IMF) at Braunschweig University of Arts


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David Battistella
Re: RED FCP 6 HD finishing
on Jul 13, 2009 at 12:23:05 pm


Uli,

Can you expand on this. I was pretty sure (if using the F proxies) you are accessing teh full R3D data in Color.

Thanks,
David


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Randy Lee
Re: RED FCP 6 HD finishing
on Jul 13, 2009 at 3:30:25 pm

I'm not Uli, and I'm sure he'll chime in here with a much more in-depth response, but I believe how it works is that while Color will access the r3d files, it doesn't do a full high-quality debayer the way that other programs do. Color will only do half-high. This is what Uli means by half the resolution. (Correct me if I'm wrong here)

Depending on what your plans are for the final product, you may or may not see enough of a difference in quality to justify the extra time it takes for a full high-quality debayer. There are people around that finish using Color and are more than happy with the results, and I'm sure there are others that would never even think about going with just a half-high debayer. Only testing will show you what will work for your workflow.



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David Battistella
Re: RED FCP 6 HD finishing
on Jul 13, 2009 at 11:55:20 pm



This makes sense as COLOR is limited to 2K. We talk about that as if it's a bad thing, but it has been the standard for film finsih for many years.

I have shot a lot of r3d to film from 4K to Arri 2K laser. What is more important is how the program handles the pixels internally.

I think Gary Adcock would be a great person to chime in on this thread. He knows his pixels.

David


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Uli Plank
Re: RED FCP 6 HD finishing
on Jul 14, 2009 at 9:29:52 pm

Half high is fine for most projects, but we were talking about zooming in (reframing), or not ?

I'd always do a full de-bayer for zooming or panning (and for very low light, BTW).

Regards,

Uli



Director of the Institute of Media Research (IMF) at Braunschweig University of Arts


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Redžinald Šimek
Re: RED FCP 6 HD finishing
on Jul 15, 2009 at 12:03:57 am

Hi guys, thanks for this very useful discussion.

I have one question more.
I import footage into FCP over the log and transfer.
What is the best way to import footage regarding the way that my master is HDCAM?
Should i make preset inside REDALERT and set output LUT/Gamma space to rec 709?


Thanks again

simek


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Russell Lasson
Re: RED FCP 6 HD finishing
on Jul 15, 2009 at 12:08:10 am

[Redžinald Šimek] "What is the best way to import footage regarding the way that my master is HDCAM? "

I guess I missed something, but what are you putting on HDCAM? The raw footage or the final color corrected show?

-Russ

Russell Lasson
Colorist/Digital Cinema Specialist
Color Mill
Salt Lake City, UT
http://www.colormill.net


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Redžinald Šimek
Re: RED FCP 6 HD finishing
on Jul 15, 2009 at 12:15:02 am

Final color corrected show which i will cc in FCP.



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Russell Lasson
Re: RED FCP 6 HD finishing
on Jul 15, 2009 at 12:24:31 am

If you color in FCP, I would suggest creating a look in REDAlert that you like, then try to finesse it in FCP with something like Colorista.

If you're going to use Color instead, bring the footage in pretty flat, because it will give Color more flexibility than if you clip the highlights or shadows with a look.

-Russ

Russell Lasson
Colorist/Digital Cinema Specialist
Color Mill
Salt Lake City, UT
http://www.colormill.net


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Redžinald Šimek
Re: RED FCP 6 HD finishing
on Jul 15, 2009 at 12:28:54 am

I will do it in fcp due short deadline, but my only concern is about
r3d import filter settings inside FCP.
Should i set it to native or create preset
inside red alert and set gamma output to rec 709?


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Russell Lasson
Re: RED FCP 6 HD finishing
on Jul 15, 2009 at 12:38:22 am

Read the RED FCS2 Whitepaper on the RED's support page.

Set REDAlert to anything that looks good. It doesn't matter. Don't use the REDAlert curves though. They don't translate to FCP.

-Russ

Russell Lasson
Colorist/Digital Cinema Specialist
Color Mill
Salt Lake City, UT
http://www.colormill.net


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Redžinald Šimek
Re: RED FCP 6 HD finishing
on Jul 15, 2009 at 12:40:12 am

Ok, thanks.


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