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Chris Campbell
120fps footage
on Nov 26, 2008 at 7:02:38 pm

Hi
I will be doing a job that involves processing 2K 120fps footage, color correcting, and outputting
to HDCAM. I can't seem to find any info on how to deal with footage that is not at 23.98 or 24 fps.
Can anyone point me in the right direction or provide some tips? I will probably try to use FCP 6.05
and maybe Color.
Thanks


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Uli Plank
Re: 120fps footage
on Nov 26, 2008 at 7:11:55 pm

You'll always set a project frame rate in the range from 23.98 to 60 fps on your Red One, depending on the final presentation.
For slo-mo, you can shoot at higher speeds, but your project will still be running at a frame rate that's supported by FCP – otherwise it wouldn't be slo-mo.

Regards,

Uli

Director of the Institute of Media Research (IMF) at Braunschweig University of Arts


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David Battistella
Re: 120fps footage
on Nov 26, 2008 at 7:17:28 pm

[Uli Plank] "project frame rate in the range from 23.98 to 60 fps"

in camera it's 23.98, 24 or 29.97. The camera ALWAYS records progressive frames


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Uli Plank
Re: 120fps footage
on Nov 26, 2008 at 7:37:01 pm

Mine is faster at 2 or 3K ;-)

From the manual:
(2K and 3K record resolutions also support 50.00 and 59.94 fps Project Time Bases.)

And we are very happy here in Europe it is, since our HDTV will be 50fps progressive…

Regards,

Uli

Director of the Institute of Media Research (IMF) at Braunschweig University of Arts


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David Battistella
Re: 120fps footage
on Nov 26, 2008 at 7:42:28 pm



Uli,

I stand corrected, but do you actually see a setting that let's you select 59.94 as a project time base in 4K?

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Uli Plank
Re: 120fps footage
on Nov 26, 2008 at 7:52:12 pm

Of course not, the camera does only 30 fps in 4K, but the original question was about 2K anyway.

But, you know, I keep getting confused about all those options all the time, having to teach 6 different cameras in my institute alone. So when you responded, I had to double-check it myself ;-)

Best regards,

Uli

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David Battistella
Re: 120fps footage
on Nov 26, 2008 at 8:14:09 pm



Thanks Uli,

The institute looks beautiful. I think you might have my dream job.

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gary adcock
Re: 120fps footage
on Nov 27, 2008 at 12:28:25 am

[David Battistella] "in camera it's 23.98, 24 or 29.97. T "


25 FPS Should should never be left out in that list.

We cannot exclude the rest of the world when discussing RED.


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David Battistella
Re: 120fps footage
on Nov 27, 2008 at 12:37:44 am

yep.

25 too

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David Battistella
Re: 120fps footage
on Nov 26, 2008 at 7:15:52 pm



The only thing you need to know is the PROJECT FRAME RATE.

for 2K 120fps this should be set to 23.98 in camera.

RED records speed the EXACT SAM WAY FILM does. There is one PROGRESSIVE frame of footage recorded per frame per second.

This means that it is true film slow motion. You place 120FPS in a 23.98 timeline and it plays back the footage in slow motion. NO frame rate conversion, nothing.

So it takes FIVE seconds to playback ONE second of action.

Simple.

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Chris Campbell
Re: 120fps footage
on Nov 26, 2008 at 8:03:06 pm

OK, I didn't know that you set a project frame rate in the camera itself...that makes a lot of sense.
So I should be able to use this footage in the new version of Color since it is actually 23.98, I assume.
One other question: Do I set my FCP sequence to a 2k resolution, and then crop to 1920x1080 when outputting through the Kona 3 to HDCAM?


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David Battistella
Re: 120fps footage
on Nov 26, 2008 at 8:09:05 pm


You could possibly use the new HD mode in 2K. This would mean you are recording 1920x1080, so no need for cropping at all. Not sure you could record the same framerates though.

I'll fire up my camera and check that out for you. It's a NO GO on 2K HD mode, only 16x9, so you have to set your frame guides.

Run a test if you can.

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