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Perrone Ford
Archiving - lay off to tape?
on Oct 24, 2008 at 6:07:49 pm

Hi all,

Just had a question out of curiosity. If you'd like to archive your 4k, or 2k files, can you lay them off to tape? If so, what kind? I am aware of HDCamSR, but I Think that's only 1920x1080.

I am really curious about how you guys are archiving your footage.

Thanks



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Stuart Ferreyra
Re: Archiving - lay off to tape?
on Oct 24, 2008 at 7:05:13 pm

DLT or LTO tape back-up would be the best option.

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Arnie Schlissel
Re: Archiving - lay off to tape?
on Oct 24, 2008 at 7:45:36 pm

There's an optional outboard processor that allows you to lay off 2k (2048X1080) to D5 tape. There's no such thing as 4k tape.

Arnie

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Russell Lasson
Re: Archiving - lay off to tape?
on Oct 24, 2008 at 8:46:55 pm

I really like LTO-3A. It connects over gigabit ethernet and transfers using an FTP client. Nothing special beyond that. Plus it's only $8-9k instead of $100,000 for a HDCAM SR. And it keeps the R3D files instead of compressing them to another format.

On the note of 4K tape, Sony does have an option to record DPX files in either 2k or 4k to HDCAM SR. I would still go LTO for back up though.

-Russ

Russell Lasson
Ridgeline Digital Cinema Mastering
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Russell Lasson
Re: Archiving - lay off to tape?
on Oct 24, 2008 at 8:48:53 pm

I meant to include the news release from Sony.

http://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/105/859317

-Russ

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Perrone Ford
Re: Archiving - lay off to tape?
on Oct 24, 2008 at 8:51:14 pm

Gentlemen,

Thanks very much. It's good to know there are realistic options out there for archiving. There have been some very prominent articles recently, including in ASC, about moving film to digital formats and how they would be archived and stored.

Does anyone know what Panavision is doing with the Genesis camera in terms of archiving? Are they also using LTO?



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Arnie Schlissel
Re: Archiving - lay off to tape?
on Oct 24, 2008 at 9:39:46 pm

One of the workflows for Genesis is to shoot directly to HDCam SR tape. The SW1 recorder can dock directly to the camera head. If you shoot to hard drive or flash mags, then you should back it up just like any other tapeless format.

Arnie

Post production is not an afterthought!
http://www.arniepix.com/


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Stuart Ferreyra
Re: Archiving - lay off to tape?
on Oct 24, 2008 at 10:10:35 pm

I am glad to see Russ and I agree.

DLT or LTO are definitely the cheapest options. Once the investment is done you can always extract the original RED files and convert to anything you want plus in the process there is no operator needed (capture or transcode of files).

The standard tape option ends up being to expensive and does not include operators cost to extract and process the files.

Stuart Ferreyra
Timecode Multimedia
Colorist / Finisher / Consultant

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Uli Plank
Re: Archiving - lay off to tape?
on Oct 25, 2008 at 7:06:52 am

Even the Genesis is delivering 1920 x 1080 only. It has more photosites, even a few more than the Red One, but the color scheme is very different (striped) and it's downsampled in camera.
If you want to keep the information from your 4K photosites plus all the options in post, save your native format to LTO. It's cheaper, too, since the native files are compressed.

Regards,

Uli

Director of the Institute of Media Research (IMF) at Braunschweig University of Arts


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Russell Lasson
Re: Archiving - lay off to tape?
on Oct 26, 2008 at 5:16:28 am

Well, it sounds like we all agree. LTO is really the best way to back up.

Another nice thing about LTO is that you can put project files on it with the media. So everything can be backed up, not just the media.

-Russ

Russell Lasson
Ridgeline Digital Cinema Mastering
Universal Post
Salt Lake City, UT


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