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Toine Verhoeff
Problems running Sony Vegas 12/13 [Technical]
on Feb 25, 2016 at 5:54:16 pm

Hi!

I'd like to start to talk about what i do and what kind of computer i use to do it!
I work as an editor for YouTubers who play and records Video Games.
My work consists of mostly cutting work without any significant touch ups on the video (as for effects)

I use a Desktop computer with the following specs;

Intel Core i7 3770K (Clocked Default 3.5Ghz)
16 GB DDR3 RAM
Samsung EVO 850 256 GB SSD
Nvidia Geforce MSI 970GT

Dell 2560x1440 IPS Monitor (Displayport)
AOC 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor (DVI-D Port)



I Use 1 Audio line for a voice compressed .mp3 (usually 15-40 minutes long)
2 Video Lines for a facecam and gameplay footage. Both compressed M4V's using somesort of converter in 1080P & 60 Frames per Second (not sure which one my client uses)


As i make a lot of cuts i notice my CPU taking a big hit and i wont be able to work smoothly.
I've turned down my Video Preview to Preview(auto) and sometimes when it gets really bad i move it down to half or even Quarter.
It doesn't really matter what kind of preview setting i'll use.. i'll always get about the same framerate lagg on every single one.


I'm well aware that my GPU gives 0 input or support to this process as the Maxwell chips are NOT supported (i've been digging old topics for months)

Everything i try ends up not working at all and it seems that if i make more cuts.. the more my CPU takes hits.
What parts should i replace to eliminate all of these problems!

It doesnt seem like im asking a whole lot from Vegas but im required to use Vegas for this particular client.
This probably wont show a whole lot of what's actually going on but.
https://i.gyazo.com/561bc830ad7554d6836b11ba2fa3ab80.png


Im desperately seeking help!


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John Rofrano
Re: Problems running Sony Vegas 12/13 [Technical]
on Feb 26, 2016 at 4:54:59 am

A Hex Core instead of a Quad Core would certainly give you a boost as would an AMD R9 290x/390x instead of the useless NVIDIA card.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasstsoftware.com



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Toine Verhoeff
Re: Problems running Sony Vegas 12/13 [Technical]
on Feb 26, 2016 at 9:32:32 am

As of this month, Priority would be to get a CPU THEN a Graphics Card? or would you recommend getting a graphics card first.

Also is the 390x supported ?


Thanks for the quick response!


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John Rofrano
Re: Problems running Sony Vegas 12/13 [Technical]
on Feb 26, 2016 at 2:20:07 pm

[Toine Verhoeff] "As of this month, Priority would be to get a CPU THEN a Graphics Card? or would you recommend getting a graphics card first."
The right graphics card can have a *significant* impact in playback. In the testing that I've done in this thread, the difference between GPU on and off was 29.97 fps playback with it on and 0.5 fps with it off. That's a 60x improvement!!! That was using an ATI Radeon HD 5870.

The question is whether it will speed up your footage and the answer is, I don't know. GPU support is hit-n-miss with Vegas Pro. I'm guessing that your CPU is having a hard time decoding the highly compressed MPEG4 video you are feeding it and the GPU would be a tremendous help with that, but unfortunately, you need to try and see.

What I could do is test for you. If you send me a DropBox link to some footage, or even with a project with a lot of cuts that doesn't play back smoothly on your computer, I could test it with and without my GPU on my computer and see of the GPU alone makes a difference. The results might be skewed because I have a 12-Core and you have a 4-Core but I can always test and see.
[Toine Verhoeff] "Also is the 390x supported ?"
Vegas Pro supports OpenCL so any card that implements OpenCL is supported. The R9 300 series and 200 series are supported.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasstsoftware.com



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Toine Verhoeff
Re: Problems running Sony Vegas 12/13 [Technical]
on Feb 26, 2016 at 10:21:02 am

Although, a 3770k should easily be able to handle some simple cutting work!?

It's just giving me 100% CPU Load all the time, now and then it's completely gone.. so i've got no clue what causes it!


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John Rofrano
Re: Problems running Sony Vegas 12/13 [Technical]
on Feb 26, 2016 at 2:24:00 pm

[Toine Verhoeff] "Although, a 3770k should easily be able to handle some simple cutting work!?"
Yea, the problem might be the codec compression used on the files you are editing. Also, the container they are in. Sometimes Vegas Pro can't edit files easily because of the way they are written. Vegas Pro is tested with "real" camera footage. Then people come along with all these free game capture programs and who knows how the files were written but they certainly are not consistent or always optimized for editing.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasstsoftware.com



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Toine Verhoeff
Re: Problems running Sony Vegas 12/13 [Technical]
on Feb 26, 2016 at 5:12:21 pm

Thank you thus far for all the help!

I used to do the same work for a different client whom had similar gear but a different camera used as "facecam".
I'm almost sure it's the camera giving the extra load.
Unfortunately i'm not allowed to share the media i am editing so i'm afraid i'll just have to check one or another!
I'll start with the 390x which should be easier to return rather than a CPU + Motherboard


Ill keep the topic up to date as soon as i know more!


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James Hauge
Re: Problems running Sony Vegas 12/13 [Technical]
on Feb 26, 2016 at 7:57:51 pm

A thought that I've used before was to pre-render my source into a format that's suitable for editing... as little compression as possible and like 30 mbps throughput...

That'd be a simple starting point to see if it's the source files that are causing your problem...


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Toine Verhoeff
Re: Problems running Sony Vegas 12/13 [Technical]
on Feb 27, 2016 at 8:06:49 pm

Hi James!


As of current i have not tested it with a GPU yet.

I can playback the entire raw footage without any stutter. It occurs when i have about 200 Cuts or so done to the project.
I will test out your idea. Havent tried that yet!

Thanks for thinking with me!


~Toine


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Toine Verhoeff
Re: Problems running Sony Vegas 12/13 [Technical]
on Mar 5, 2016 at 7:49:02 pm

Okay Just installed a 390x in my computer and it works like a charm!


My CPU still makes vegas tilt a bit so i go to my Task Manager and put the Afinity to 5 cores max.
Now i can watch back my footage on Best(Full) without any stutter.

It's obvious i'll still have to replace my CPU for this matter to make everything run smooth but as of now it's a great temporary fix!


Thank you for your input.


I am now also looking for a Laptop to do the same thing on.


You'd recommend doing the same thing by getting a AMD M395 + 6820HK ?

I've seen an Alienware laptop carrying these following specs


Intel® Core™ i7-6820HK (8MB Cache Quadcore 4.14Ghz)
AMD Radeon™ R9 M395X with 4 GB GDDR5
15,6 inch UHD IGZO2 IPS-Screen (3.840 x 2.160) Matte coated 300 Nit
16 GB Dual Channel DDR4 2.133 MHz (8 GB x2)


It would be either that or a similar Specced DELL XPS 15 Laptop with

i7 6700HQ Quad-Core, 6 MB cache, 3,5 GHz w/ Turbo Boost
NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 960M with 3 GB GDDR5
15,6 inch UHD IGZO2 IPS-Screen (3.840 x 2.160) Matte coated 300 Nit
16 GB Dual Channel DDR4 2.133 MHz (8 GB x2)


Your thoughts on this?


I'll be upgrading my CPU to a 5960x which should suffice on my Desktop


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John Rofrano
Re: Problems running Sony Vegas 12/13 [Technical]
on Mar 6, 2016 at 12:42:19 pm

[Toine Verhoeff] "You'd recommend doing the same thing by getting a AMD M395 + 6820HK ?"
Yes, but understand that a mobile GPU won't have anywhere near the processing power of a desktop GPU. The AMD M395 has 1/2 the power and bandwidth of the AMD R9 390 desktop version. Not that you shouldn't get it, just that a laptop will never compare to a desktop in performance.
[Toine Verhoeff] "I've seen an Alienware laptop carrying these following specs"
I would go with the Alienware. The Dell has an NVIDIA GPU which will not perform as well with Vegas Pro.
[Toine Verhoeff] "I'll be upgrading my CPU to a 5960x which should suffice on my Desktop"
That 8-Core is an excellent choice. That's what I would be using if I hadn't switched to a 12-Core Mac Pro. ;-)

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasstsoftware.com



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Toine Verhoeff
Re: Problems running Sony Vegas 12/13 [Technical]
on Mar 8, 2016 at 1:17:35 am

Hi John!

My quest as laptops goes has been Miserable.

I've tried to purchase an Alienware laptop today, unfortunately they do not sell to businesses but consumers alone.
Add that to the poor customer service and i've lost my faith entirely to the brand.


Is there any Laptop you'd suggest that could handle solely on the CPU?
I've got about 3000$ to spend and desperately looking for something.


Thank you so far for all the help!

Toine V


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John Rofrano
Re: Problems running Sony Vegas 12/13 [Technical]
on Mar 8, 2016 at 3:16:14 am

[Toine Verhoeff] "Is there any Laptop you'd suggest that could handle solely on the CPU?"
I really can't make a suggestion because I haven't used a PC laptop in years. I use a 2012 MacBook Pro as my laptop. Actually, the specs on the latest MacBook Pro are probably what you are looking for and the price is in your budget:

15-inch MacBook Pro with Retina display
2.5GHz quad-core Intel Core i7 (Turbo Boost up to 3.7GHz)
16GB 1600MHz memory
512GB PCIe-based flash storage
Intel Iris Pro Graphics
AMD Radeon R9 M370X with 2GB GDDR5 memory
Built-in battery (9 hours)
Force Touch trackpad
$2,499.00

It's not as powerful as the Alienware but it's not bad either. In addition to running Vegas Pro in Windows. you would also have the option of using Final Cut Pro X on OS X. So it's actually more computer options for your money. ;-)

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasstsoftware.com



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Toine Verhoeff
Re: Problems running Sony Vegas 12/13 [Technical]
on Mar 8, 2016 at 11:05:39 am

I Could run Adobe Premiere perfectly fine with my current setup,

My Client literally wants me to use Sony Vegas for the time being (which could be months).
I'll look into the MacBook Pro!

Thanks!


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John Rofrano
Re: Problems running Sony Vegas 12/13 [Technical]
on Mar 9, 2016 at 2:51:20 pm

[Toine Verhoeff] "I Could run Adobe Premiere perfectly fine with my current setup,"
I'm guessing that's because Adobe is using CUDA which is an NVIDIA proprietary technology and most laptops have NVIDIA GPU's so Adobe should run great on most laptops. It's unfortunate that more laptops don't support AMD but that's what Sony runs best with.
[Toine Verhoeff] "My Client literally wants me to use Sony Vegas for the time being (which could be months). I'll look into the MacBook Pro!"
I didn't realize that your NLE choice was driven by your client. If you to check out the MacBook Pro's be sure to go to an Apple Store and see Final Cut Pro X running on it. FCP X screams on the new MacBook Pro's (as you might expect).

So are you delivering Vegas Pro project files (*.veg) to your clients? I'm just wondering why they care what NLE you use.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasstsoftware.com



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