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Maxime Labrèche
Thumbnail window and rendered video not matching
on Feb 11, 2016 at 5:38:46 pm
Last Edited By Maxime Labrèche on Feb 11, 2016 at 8:32:30 pm

Hi

So I have this project in which I have to replace the left portion of a split screen video by a static image.


I found out that I have to uncheck "maintain aspect ratio" in the media properties of the image to change its proportions so that I can
make the picture fit in the frame that was imposed by the original video.

Problem is that when I render, the result is way different than what the thumbnail window shows me.
The image looks right when in "preview" mode, but if I look at the rendered video, the image has weird proportions and it goes over the black border on the left.


Not sure I'm even using the right approach? I'm wondering how you guys would do that, I'm pretty noobish at cropping video.


Thanks


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John Rofrano
Re: Thumbnail window and rendered video not matching
on Feb 11, 2016 at 9:11:12 pm

What are your project properties?

What are your render properties?

If your rendered output does not align with what you are seeing in the preview, I'm gonna guess that your render properties do not match your project properties. Especially if they are using different aspect ratios.

The other thing to check is to turn your preview window to Best (Full) and check if things still look the same. This is the setting that will be used when rendering.

~jr

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http://www.vasstsoftware.com



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Maxime Labrèche
Re: Thumbnail window and rendered video not matching
on Feb 11, 2016 at 10:09:36 pm

Turns out the project settings were set to default at 720x480. I changed them to 1920 x 1080, that's the resolution of the main video that I imported in Vegas. I changed pixel resolution to match that too.


I also changed the render settings to my video's resolution and I put 16-9 as aspect ratio.


Now I'm unable to render anything at all and I get "an error occured while creating the media file X, the reason for the error could not be determined"


Did I forget something or I'm just totally off the track?


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John Rofrano
Re: Thumbnail window and rendered video not matching
on Feb 12, 2016 at 3:52:41 am

[Maxime Labrèche] "I also changed the render settings to my video's resolution and I put 16-9 as aspect ratio."
What *exactly* does that mean? This could be the problem. What render template are you using and what did you change?

Try rendering with a built-in 1920x1080 template and don't change anything. Does that work?

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasstsoftware.com



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Maxime Labrèche
Re: Thumbnail window and rendered video not matching
on Feb 12, 2016 at 12:49:45 pm

Hmmm... I just tried the HD 1080-60i template. Same thing happens


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Maxime Labrèche
Re: Thumbnail window and rendered video not matching
on Feb 12, 2016 at 4:21:36 pm

Ahhh.. got it! I thought you meant to use 1080 project template then render. I wasn't realising that there were rendering templates too. Anyways, I just set everything to 1080 and it did the trick.

Rendered video looks fine now.

Thanks for your help John.


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John Rofrano
Re: Thumbnail window and rendered video not matching
on Feb 13, 2016 at 2:10:34 pm

[Maxime Labrèche] "I just set everything to 1080 and it did the trick."
Yea, that's what I was trying to explain... glad you figured it out. ;-)

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasstsoftware.com



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Maxime Labrèche
Re: Thumbnail window and rendered video not matching
on Feb 13, 2016 at 4:27:22 pm

Hey John

I have an other film at 720 x 486.

I'm using a 720 x 480 projet template (that seems to be the closest I can choose). I'm not sure what render template I should use. I'm not seeing anything close to those numbers and trying the "default" one seems to mess up my proportions. I tried a bunch of other ones with similar results. Maybe it's some other setting I have to change?

I'm pretty new at this and I have yet to fully understand some concepts. Please bear with me for asking things that are a bit too basic ;P

Thanks,


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John Rofrano
Re: Thumbnail window and rendered video not matching
on Feb 13, 2016 at 7:02:43 pm

720 x 486 sounds like an NTSC Standard Definition analog capture. You are correct that 720x480 NTSC DV digital is the template to use.

As for rendering... what is the purpose of the render? To put on a DVD? To use on the web? or playback on your PC?

I'm assuming you want to play it on your PC or the Web, in which case you could render with MainConcept AVC with the Internet 480p 4:3 template. If the video is widescreen use the Internet 480p widescreen template instead. These are designed for standard definition internet delivery.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasstsoftware.com



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Maxime Labrèche
Re: Thumbnail window and rendered video not matching
on Feb 14, 2016 at 6:29:47 pm

The purpose of the rendering is for playback on mac and pc. The video is supposed to be played on a wide screen in a classroom.

It looks like I don't have the render template you're describing in my version of vegas (9). The only mainconcept AVC ones I can choose from are ipod 320 x 240 and 640 x 480.

Basically, I want to convert to a less heavy format without changing any proportions from the original file and not lose too much quality.

That source file is a 2.68 GB .mov and I'd like to reduce it to something like 500 mb.

Should I be able to do that in Vegas 9? Maybe I should switch to some other software? I'd need to be able to do some edits too.


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John Rofrano
Re: Thumbnail window and rendered video not matching
on Feb 15, 2016 at 4:49:02 pm

[Maxime Labrèche] "The purpose of the rendering is for playback on mac and pc. The video is supposed to be played on a wide screen in a classroom."
MPEG4 AVC/H.264 is the ubiquitous format for both PC and Mac which is the MainConcept AVC encoder or Sony AVC encoder.
[Maxime Labrèche] "It looks like I don't have the render template you're describing in my version of vegas (9). The only mainconcept AVC ones I can choose from are ipod 320 x 240 and 640 x 480."
Yea, Vegas Pro 9 is 7 years old. That's a long, long. time ago in video years. If you don't have anything more modern, then the iPod 640 x 480 template is the closest to what you need. You might also want to look at the templates under Sony AVC. It might have a template that is similar.
[Maxime Labrèche] "That source file is a 2.68 GB .mov and I'd like to reduce it to something like 500 mb."
Depending on what format the source is in, you may loose a lot of quality trying to make it 5x smaller.
[Maxime Labrèche] "Should I be able to do that in Vegas 9? Maybe I should switch to some other software? I'd need to be able to do some edits too."
Maybe you just need to upgrade your Vegas Pro 9 to Vegas Pro 13 so that you can render to more modern formats. If you have a Mac, I would use that since the source is in Mac QuickTime MOV format to begin with.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasstsoftware.com



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