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Rick Hughes
Confused over DVDA and Blu-Ray
on Nov 17, 2015 at 4:12:42 pm

I had replied in earlier thread - but it may be getting buried, so bringing this out as separate thread.

Movie Studio 12 and DVDA studio 5

I want to end up with the standard Full HD 1080p 16:9 playback (for Europe)

Following advice here I rendered each sub project using MainConcept 1920x1080, 50 - using settings on template as shown:



Each file comes out as: 1920x1080 Frame rate 25.000 fps Interlaced

The issue I have is when I drop them into DVDA, under project properties it shows:




Which option should I be using for disc creation ?

There is no 25p option, so do I leave it at 25i, or should I see 50i - should I see any 'progressive' option ?

Just want to be sure before I commit to burning a disc.


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Wayne Waag
Re: Confused over DVDA and Blu-Ray
on Nov 17, 2015 at 4:38:34 pm

Looks OK to me, but at this point, I'd recommend you get a re-writable disc and simply "try it".

wwaag


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Rick Hughes
Re: Confused over DVDA and Blu-Ray
on Nov 17, 2015 at 4:47:04 pm

RE discs arrived today ........... wanted to check before I commit to disc ... due to time to burn.

So when TV's quote 1080p ..... how does 25i Blu-ray become progressive ? ....... or is that just something hardware takes care of.


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George Dean
Re: Confused over DVDA and Blu-Ray
on Nov 17, 2015 at 4:50:02 pm

When I first started using SMS12P and DVDA5, I had a lot of questions. The best advise I received was, "stop over thinking it". The 2nd best advise I received was "get some re-writable disc". I continued on asking questions, but settled down to make some shorts and experiment to see the results. The third best advise was, "defaults may not provide the very best results, but usually they provide the best overall".

Therefore I think wwaag has the best reply, "Looks OK to me, but at this point, I'd recommend you get a re-writable disc and simply "try it"."


Best Regards.....George


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Rob Aubey
Re: Confused over DVDA and Blu-Ray
on Nov 17, 2015 at 4:41:49 pm

Rick, According to the Blu-ray specifications, there is no option for 50P when authoring a 1920x1080 resolution BD project. The frame rates shown/available in your project are accurate to the resolution chosen. If your project was 1280x720, then 50P would be an option.

For 1920 or 1440 x 1080 these are the fps allowed.
2997i
25i
23976p
24p

For 1280 x 720.
59.94p
50p
23976p
24p


Which option should I be using for disc creation ?
>> Choose the 25i option.


Hope this helps, Rob


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Rick Hughes
Re: Confused over DVDA and Blu-Ray
on Nov 17, 2015 at 5:00:17 pm

Thanks guys ... I'll go burn a disk


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John Rofrano
Re: Confused over DVDA and Blu-Ray
on Nov 17, 2015 at 8:29:16 pm

[Rob Aubey] "According to the Blu-ray specifications, there is no option for 50P when authoring a 1920x1080 resolution BD project."
Rob is correct. The Blu-ray committee was too concerned with supporting 80 year old interlaced technology than making a giant leap forward to progressive so we are still stuck in the past... no 50p or 60p.
[Rob Aubey] "Choose the 25i option."
+1

That is really your only option for Blu-ray.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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Rick Hughes
Re: Confused over DVDA and Blu-Ray
on Nov 17, 2015 at 10:22:01 pm

Thanks - it is the fact we have 1080p HD TV was causing my concern.
So there is no progressive video at all in Blu-ray disc spec?

Anyway created the disc at 25i and it seems to play fine.

Thanks to all for help.


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Wayne Waag
Re: Confused over DVDA and Blu-Ray
on Nov 18, 2015 at 12:03:55 am

Glad it's working. For your info, a 1080P TV automatically de-interlaces your 1080i footage and displays it as progressive. Hence, the designation 1080P. Doesn't mean that your footage has to be 1080P. I must admit, it's a bit confusing.

wwaag


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John Rofrano
Re: Confused over DVDA and Blu-Ray
on Nov 18, 2015 at 12:58:48 am

[Rick Hughes] "So there is no progressive video at all in Blu-ray disc spec?"
Yes there is. 720p is supported by Blu-ray but not 1080p. Now you really have to ask yourself what were they thinking???

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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Wayne Waag
Re: Confused over DVDA and Blu-Ray
on Nov 18, 2015 at 1:16:02 am

Doesn't the spec also support progressive at 1080 with 24 (23.76)fps?

wwaag


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John Rofrano
Re: Confused over DVDA and Blu-Ray
on Nov 18, 2015 at 1:21:21 pm

[Wayne Waag] "Doesn't the spec also support progressive at 1080 with 24 (23.76)fps?"
Yes, 24p is allowed at 1080 so you are correct, they do allow 1080p at 24.976 fps. But you would think they would have extended that to 30p and 25p as well. They constrained themselves to a 10 year old DVD spec for some reason. Thankful they agreed that both PAL and NTSC have the same resolution. At least they got one thing right. ;-)

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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Rick Hughes
Re: Confused over DVDA and Blu-Ray
on Nov 18, 2015 at 10:17:04 am
Last Edited By Rick Hughes on Nov 18, 2015 at 10:23:58 am

It does seem strange that they didn't include 1080p when all modern TV's are 1080p

For example the European HD TV requirement is that all TV's displaying HD logo must support 1080p 24 fps, 1080p 50 fps, and 1080p 60 fps formats
All Blu-ray players put out 1080p so they must do h/ware conversion from 25i to progressive.

In Europe we get over the air broadcast of 1080p which is good to have.



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John Rofrano
Re: Confused over DVDA and Blu-Ray
on Nov 19, 2015 at 5:18:26 am

[Rick Hughes] "It does seem strange that they didn't include 1080p when all modern TV's are 1080p"
When the Blu-ray spec was written no modern TV's were progressive. The early HD TV's were all interlaced and many were projection TV's and DLP technology which you never see anymore. They had to be to remain comparable with Standard Definition TV because in the early days there were hundreds of SD channels and only a handful of HD channels.

Blu-ray was, and still is, a mess to deal with. We stopped buying Blu-rays because it seemed that every time we bought a new one we needed a firmware update to play them. I got tired of updating firmware and waiting for the darn things to load. We only buy DVD's in my house. Blu-ray was a nice idea that was poorly implemented.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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Rick Hughes
Re: Confused over DVDA and Blu-Ray
on Nov 19, 2015 at 9:16:38 am

OK .. that is unfortunate, I don't see that problem .. I have a small Sony Blu-ray player and it has played perfectly on every Blu-ray disc I have bought (or borrowed) and as for loading speed it is as fast as any DVD I have had.
It is fully networked, occasionally it will advise there is updated software .. but this is not a frequent event, and never complained when I put a disc in.

I also have an HD pvr attached to TV and it loads in about 1/2 the time of the PVR.

Maybe I'm lucky and region B works easier :-)


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John Rofrano
Re: Confused over DVDA and Blu-Ray
on Nov 19, 2015 at 12:51:44 pm

[Rick Hughes] "It is fully networked, occasionally it will advise there is updated software .. but this is not a frequent event, and never complained when I put a disc in."
That's the difference. I don't happen to have CAT5 cable running behind my TV because my house was built before DVD's were invented and all we had was a VCR back then. So my Blu-ray player has no network connection and my DVD player never needed one. My experience is... you buy a new Blu-ray disc and put it into the player and occasionally it complains that you need an update to play this disc... so you search the Manufacture's web site for the firmware update... you search your house for an achient blank CD... you burn the firmware onto the CD on your computer... you boot the Blue-ray player with the CD and you wait for it to update. Later that day you might get to watch the movie. ;-)

I'm not saying this happens with every Blu-ray but it has happened a number of times and it's annoying and tedious compared to DVD's which simply work.

As for load times... I'm shocked that you are not seeing a huge delay in loading Blu-ray discs. I've owned 2 Blu-ray players and both take forever to boot up and then again to load a disc. Even responding to remote control buttons seems slower. The who experience is very sluggish. I prefer DVD's.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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Wayne Waag
Re: Confused over DVDA and Blu-Ray
on Nov 19, 2015 at 5:00:02 pm

[John Rofrano]

I'm with Rick on this one. I have a couple of Sony Blu-ray players (2013 models) that really work well. They're wireless, but I still use Cat 5E cables. Never any problems with slow loading of Blu-rays or DVDs. What's really nice though is the ability to easily serve media directly from my PC. The icing on the cake, for me at least, is that they play 1080 60P flawlessly. Most other media players don't. I do a lot of personal road trip documentaries with a video camera mounted on the dash. Because of the high motion content, 60P playback is almost essential, for me at least. Moreover, they support MKV which enables me to have chapters. I could care less about menus, but chapters are a real plus, especially for longer programs. And finally, they're relatively cheap--less than $100.

wwaag


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Rick Hughes
Re: Confused over DVDA and Blu-Ray
on Nov 19, 2015 at 6:57:04 pm

Mine has WiFi support but I have it hooked up with Ethernet ... has full smart set for Apps, streaming etc., it all just works.
I was amazed the thing is tiny compared to PVR, and quality is superb.


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John Rofrano
Re: Confused over DVDA and Blu-Ray
on Nov 21, 2015 at 3:40:42 am

What make and model Blu-ray players do you use. I'd love to have one that isn't slow and off-line.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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Wayne Waag
Re: Confused over DVDA and Blu-Ray
on Nov 21, 2015 at 4:17:53 am

[John Rofrano]

I have a Sony BDP-BX-510. It's a 2013 model. Here is a link to a new Sony at Costco which I would probably buy if I needed one. http://www.costco.com/Sony-BDP-BX650-Upscale-4K-Blu-ray-Player.product.1002... Nice thing about Costco is the easy return if you're not happy. For $90, it seems like a good deal.

wwaag


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John Rofrano
Re: Confused over DVDA and Blu-Ray
on Nov 21, 2015 at 2:56:08 pm

Thanks I'll check it out.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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Rick Hughes
Re: Confused over DVDA and Blu-Ray
on Nov 21, 2015 at 10:58:30 am

I did a bit of research on magazine teviews, group tests etc.
The winner in all classses it featured in was Sony BD S5500. Plus player of the year.
Really small ...packed with features if you want ithem ...in my case just a superb BD/DVD player.
Internet hook up wifi or ethernet, which genuinely worked when you selected auto network setup.
I find front USB socket great for plugging in mem stick ...and it has played every type of video file I have tried so far.


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Rick Hughes
Re: Confused over DVDA and Blu-Ray
on Nov 21, 2015 at 11:01:55 am
Last Edited By Rick Hughes on Nov 21, 2015 at 11:06:02 am

I did a bit of research on magazine reviews, group tests etc.
The winner in all classses it featured in was Sony BD S5500. Plus player of the year.
Certainly remarkable value for money.
Just timed it (as you mentioned speed) from power-on ready to play in 9 sec.

Really small ...packed with features if you want ithem ...in my case just a superb BD/DVD player.
Internet hook up wifi or ethernet, which genuinely worked when you selected auto network setup.
I find front USB socket great for plugging in mem stick ...and it has played every type of video file I have tried so far.

Also its upscaling h/w must be good all my DVD's look much better played on this player to 1080p TV.
I'm not some 'Must be Sony' fan, this is yge 1st and only oiece of Sony hardware ... impressed with it.


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John Rofrano
Re: Confused over DVDA and Blu-Ray
on Nov 21, 2015 at 3:16:30 pm

[Rick Hughes] "Just timed it (as you mentioned speed) from power-on ready to play in 9 sec."
I have a Toshiba BDX2000. I just turned it on with no disc and it took 20 seconds to get the logo screen. I just put a Jurassic Park Blu-ray into it and turned it off and then on again. It took 2 minutes and 13 seconds to get the menu (that's 133 seconds). I stared at a completely black screen for 1 minute 42 seconds before the Universal logo shows. I mean this thing is deadly slow when you think that you put a DVD in a DVD player and instantaneously there is a logo screen and within a few seconds you're at the DVD menu.

I'll check out the players you guys suggested because this Toshiba is intolerable.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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David Shirey
Re: Confused over DVDA and Blu-Ray
on Nov 19, 2015 at 4:44:16 pm

[Rick Hughes] "For example the European HD TV requirement is that all TV's displaying HD logo must support 1080p 24 fps, 1080p 50 fps, and 1080p 60 fps formats
All Blu-ray players put out 1080p so they must do h/ware conversion from 25i to progressive."


I was really hoping that the HD revolution would have done away with either PAL or NTSC entirely and just created a universal format. If all your tv's are required to support 24p and 60p, what do we really need 25p and 50p for anymore? I feel like everyone is watching our stuff on cell phones now anyway. Don't you love it when you send a client a preview of a video and you can tell it had no resonating impact because all you hear back is "Alright, looks fine. -Sent from my iPhone"



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