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Ken Bennett
Catalyst vs Vegas
on Nov 7, 2015 at 6:06:33 am

Is it Sony's intention to have Catalyst as a replacement for Vegas? Are there any reviews comparing the two? Is Sony even going to have a special offer to move from Vegas to Catalyst? I bet not. They want you to pay full price on it.

Question: Who's going to stay with Vegas until it completely dies? Who's going to move to Catalyst in the near future? Who's going to leave Sony and go to another NLE altogether?

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Steve Rhoden
Re: Catalyst vs Vegas
on Nov 7, 2015 at 8:33:10 am

All good questions, but nothing to have a panic over, or a need to leave Sony...

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Rick Wise
Re: Catalyst vs Vegas
on Nov 7, 2015 at 4:29:50 pm

Leave Sony? Maybe not today, but tomorrow? It's weird there is no one comparing editing on Vegas vs. on Catalyst. From Sony's blurb it sounds like Sony is going the way of Apple with a "simpler" editing software. All great ideas to get us to move to Adobe Premiere or Avid.

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John Rofrano
Re: Catalyst vs Vegas
on Nov 7, 2015 at 5:31:56 pm

[Rick Wise] "From Sony's blurb it sounds like Sony is going the way of Apple with a "simpler" editing software."
Apple Final Cut Pro X started out with less functionality in the beginning because it was a complete re-write. It has since matured into a awesome NLE with tight integration with Apple Motion and Apple Compressor, the ability to automatically sync external audio with video and make it appear as if it was one clip (something Vegas Pro editors who shoot with DSLR's are been requesting for years), support for dual GPUs (another thing Vegas Pro editors have been asking for), 3D Titles, gorgeous broadcast quality motion backgrounds and generators, and a ton of impressive 3rd Party plug-ins. Don't confuse what was released 4 years ago with what exists today. FCP X is very easy to use, but it is not "simple" by any stretch of the imagination. It has capabilities that Vegas Pro doesn't have.

Sony is starting out the same way but the release they just made yesterday, is proof that they are moving quickly to add more functionality like Vegas Pro has.
[Rick Wise] "All great ideas to get us to move to Adobe Premiere or Avid."
The move to Adobe isn't just about learning new software. You need to agree to their ransom-ware business model. I wouldn't use Adobe if it were the last NLE on the planet not because their software isn't any good, but because their business model borderlines on extortion. I've never used Avid so I can't say but they always struck me as being "yesterday's" NLE. i.e, not much innovation at all.

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John Rofrano
Re: Catalyst vs Vegas
on Nov 7, 2015 at 5:04:49 pm

[Ken Bennett] "Is it Sony's intention to have Catalyst as a replacement for Vegas?"
Sony has said that Catalyst is not a replacement for Vegas Pro. They then said that Vegas Pro is going into "maintenance mode" and there will be no Vegas Pro 14.0. So I can't see how Catalyst is NOT a replacement for Vegas Pro but we shall see.
[Ken Bennett] "Are there any reviews comparing the two?"
If there are they need to be updated as of yesterday because a new version of Catalyst Edit was released yesterday with OFX effects support, and generated media, and lot of the core capabilities that most Vegas Pro editors would need. I'd say it's now something to seriously consider. I would not have said that prior to this latest release.
[Ken Bennett] "Is Sony even going to have a special offer to move from Vegas to Catalyst? I bet not. They want you to pay full price on it."
I thought they already offered Vegas Pro users an upgrade but it wasn't very attractive. I can't find that email to check.
[Ken Bennett] "Question: Who's going to stay with Vegas until it completely dies? Who's going to move to Catalyst in the near future? Who's going to leave Sony and go to another NLE altogether?"
Well... clearly people who are still using Vegas Pro 10 couldn't care less about Catalyst Edit or if there is ever a Vegas Pro 14. They are already quite happy using a 4 year old program. That should tell you something about the longevity of Vegas Pro even if Sony discontinues it.

I moved to Final Cut Pro X a while ago because I moved to the Mac. While I did run Vegas Pro for a while using Bootcamp and VMware Fusion, I'd rather use native Mac applications so I switched. Had I not moved to the Mac, I'd probably be using Vegas Pro until it physically stopped working or could no longer ingest the footage I need to work with. Considering that I'm still shooting HD, that would probably be a very long time. ;-)

~jr

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Rick Wise
Re: Catalyst vs Vegas
on Nov 7, 2015 at 7:13:31 pm

Thank you, John, for those thoughtful comments. And for the news that Final Cut Pro X has finally morphed into an NLE that editors would want to use. Sony led the way for a long time (e.g. ability to put different types of clips on the same time line without needing to render any of them) but now it looks like FCP has taken a significant lead. I guess the screams of pro editors around the globe actually were heard at Apple. A jolly good thing, that. Too bad there aren't enough of us Vegas users to push harder on Sony. Still, maybe.... For my current needs, Vegas 12 works just fine.

Rick Wise
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John Rofrano
Re: Catalyst vs Vegas
on Nov 8, 2015 at 12:54:32 pm

[Rick Wise] "For my current needs, Vegas 12 works just fine."
That's the other piece of the puzzle. I wonder how many people like yourself did not upgrade to Vegas Pro 13.0? From these forums we know that people are still using Vegas Pro 10 or even 9. If Sony has seen it's revenue slowly decline as a result of less and less people upgrading (which is a problem with all mature software products), then perhaps freezing Vegas Pro at 13 and moving on to a new product that captures a new audience on both Mac and PC was the smart move for Sony to stay alive!

~jr

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Bruce Brent
Re: Catalyst vs Vegas
on Nov 8, 2015 at 4:34:10 pm

As good as Vegas Pro (and the other versions before Pro) has been, either Sony management (that controls the team of code writers of Vegas Pro) or the writing team itself might not have the ability to write complex features into Vegas Pro, have "shot themselves in the foot" so to speak.

For instance, necessary feature that's been lacking in Vegas Pro is motion tracking. We all have to get a third party software for this feature whereas Sony could have implemented this feature long ago.

I remember, back in the late 90's, there was a video editor program (pci card based), with a simple 3½" floppy disk that ran the hardware, which included motion tracking. Yes, motion tracking back then. You'd run, in realtime, the clip, and place your mouse cursor over that area you'd want the effect placed, as the clip moved, you'd move your mouse. Keyframes would automatically be implemented.

I believe Sony has created partnerships with, for instance, Newblue and Boris, for many features via their software/plugins. A move that some users might not be able to afford. Sony has lost sight of this and has lost longtime users of their software.

Sony has "shot themselves in their other foot." .......Lastly, something that has not been brought up.....the ability to install any version we own, of Sony Vegas, if we need to "re-install" due to newly purchased computer, replace a hard drive in a current computer. We have to "register" online with Sony to have Vegas Pro working. What if Sony decides to stop further "registrations" of our current software so that we'd have to breakdown and purchase Catalyst software (Sony would hope for this).

I, for one, would "jump ship" and turn to another software maker who's reputation is stronger. Even doing what John has done, by going Mac.


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Rick Wise
Re: Catalyst vs Vegas
on Nov 8, 2015 at 7:15:45 pm

In general, I've found it wisest to upgrade every other version, for any software, not just Vegas. The real problem, I think, is that Sony never successfully marketed to a large audience. They never made significant inroads on Final Cut Pro, Avid, or Premiere. It's likely that as a result they ended up with a small group of dedicated users and are giving up the ghost. There is still a tiny possibility they will turn Catalyst into something pros want to use, a very uphill battle. From your description of the new Final Cut Pro X, I think my move would be there were I to switch to something "newer and better."

Rick Wise
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San Francisco Bay Area
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Ken Bennett
Re: Catalyst vs Vegas
on Nov 8, 2015 at 10:39:57 pm

Since my Vegas 13's render engine only works about 30% of the time, I'll be sticking with V12 and start looking into FCP X and Catalyst (if it shows any promise). Both have free demo versions. So as long as V12 can serve my needs.... but it's days are numbered.

Ken Bennett
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Ricardo Marty
Re: Catalyst vs Vegas
on Nov 10, 2015 at 9:42:50 pm

I think that the catalyst bundle and reslove 12 can be a killer combo suite.
Log and sort in prepare, edit in edit and finnish in resolve.
I would love to try this out but I cant get resolve to work on my old laptop.

If someone can try this and let us know the results.

Ricardo Marty
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Nigel O'Neill
Re: Catalyst vs Vegas
on Nov 11, 2015 at 1:18:24 pm

[John Rofrano] "Considering that I'm still shooting HD, that would probably be a very long time. ;-)"

That sounds like me, too. I also practically live in your Vasst Ultimate S Pro plugin, so I would be interested to know of Catalyst's multicam capabilities or any plans of yours to do an Ultimate S Pro port to Catalyst.


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John Rofrano
Re: Catalyst vs Vegas
on Nov 11, 2015 at 1:24:46 pm

[Nigel O'Neill] "I would be interested to know of Catalyst's multicam capabilities or any plans of yours to do an Ultimate S Pro port to Catalyst."
I would love to but Catalyst doesn't have a Script API. You should definitely suggest that Sony add Script capabilities because I would jump right on porting Ultimate S Pro and mu other plug-ins to Catalyst!

~jr

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