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Robert Engle
Sony Vegas Monitor Issue
on Oct 4, 2015 at 2:48:48 pm

I was using a 24 inch HP HD monitor for Sony Vegas. I just upgraded to the new HP 32 inch Spectre 4K Monitor. When I open Vegas I can work in it without an issue but because my Monitor is bigger everything is smaller and hard to see in Vegas. Specifically text that's just in the program and all the little icons for working. Any ideas ?????
Thanks Bob
PS. I adjusted my Desktop to a larger size to be more normal but I don't think this effects anything else.


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John Rofrano
Re: Sony Vegas Monitor Issue
on Oct 4, 2015 at 5:06:49 pm

The higher the resolution of a monitor, the smaller the text... it's kind of a physics / math problem and there's not much you can do to change it.

Your options are:

(1) Right click on the Vegas Pro icon, choose Properties, then choose the Compatibility tab, and check the box that says "[x] Disable display scaling on high dpi settings". This may or may not help.

(2) Buy a lower resolution monitor for editing and use the higher resolution monitor for payback

(3) Buy glasses ;-)

Windows is horrible at supporting resolution other than the native resolution of the monitor. As you have seen, you can make your fonts bigger on your Windows desktop but applications probably won't display correct and just show larger cut-off words in the same small window. This is Microsoft's fault for having such a pathetic application programming interface (...and I say this as an application developer who has had to deal with this).

We've seen people complain about this problem before and I don't believe that Vegas Pro will adjust it's window size. It always uses the native resolution of the monitor so there's not much you can do about it other than using lower resolution monitor that you can actually read.

~jr

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Robert Engle
Re: Sony Vegas Monitor Issue
on Oct 4, 2015 at 6:25:02 pm

John,
Ok the only thing that worked was I went into the control panel under Display and reduced the resolution down a little for the display. Then went into Vegas and it was bigger. Can I simply lower my screen resolution and when I'm finished just go back in and put it back to 4K ? This wont hurt anything I don't think ??
Thanks Bob


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John Rofrano
Re: Sony Vegas Monitor Issue
on Oct 4, 2015 at 8:31:46 pm

[Robert Engle] "Can I simply lower my screen resolution and when I'm finished just go back in and put it back to 4K ? This wont hurt anything I don't think ??"
Yes you can and no it won't hurt anything. Usually when you run a monitor at less than it's normal resolution the text is a bit fuzzy but if it looks OK, then you can absolutely change resolutions. I change resolutions on my laptop all the time to adjust to different projectors that we have at work when I'm making presentations so I know it doesn't hurt anything.

~jr

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http://www.vasst.com



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Steve Rhoden
Re: Sony Vegas Monitor Issue
on Oct 5, 2015 at 2:52:29 pm

Wont hurt anything Robert...
Just hoping in the near future this high resolution scaling process
will be a bit more easier and automatic.

Steve Rhoden (Cow Leader)
Film Maker & VFX Artist.
Owner of Filmex Creative Media.
Samples of my Work and Company can be seen here:
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Robert Engle
Re: Sony Vegas Monitor Issue
on Oct 6, 2015 at 12:42:37 am

Thanks Steve. me to I cant believe that this is even an issue. I bought a gazillion dollar monitor to make editing more fun and view larger. One good thing is my Photoshop adjusted for some reason and is to scale. Lightroom did not. I have viewed 4K videos from YouTube and this monitor is amazing in every way.
Thanks Bob


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Steve Rhoden
Re: Sony Vegas Monitor Issue
on Oct 6, 2015 at 3:20:03 am

All these software developers need to get with the program and start
making their tools GUI high resolution and UHD scalable, the technology
isn't a fad and is not going away!

Steve Rhoden (Cow Leader)
Film Maker & VFX Artist.
Owner of Filmex Creative Media.
Samples of my Work and Company can be seen here:
http://www.facebook.com/FilmexCreativeMedia


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Robert Engle
Re: Sony Vegas Monitor Issue
on Oct 6, 2015 at 11:05:53 pm
Last Edited By Robert Engle on Oct 6, 2015 at 11:16:58 pm

Steve

Ok what a pain on the monitor issue but thank you. Ok I did a mini edit on a few video clips and am getting the message shown in the below link. If the link doesn't work here is what it says. I have Rendered before and I just tried to Render in the same exact format as always. about 35% into rendering I get 2 pop up windows.

One from Vegas saying , " An error has occurred while creating the media file Cessna Skylane" "The system is low on memory. You may be able to reduce memory usage by closing other programs".

Then a Windows window saying, " Close program to prevent information loss. Your computer is low on memory. Save your files and close these programs. "

On my D Drive I have 1 TB Free and on my C Drive about 100 GB Free.

I have a very powerful computer it is not low on memory so what is going on ????

Please help Steve
Thanks



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Robert Engle
Re: Sony Vegas Monitor Issue
on Oct 6, 2015 at 11:14:33 pm

Steve

Ok what a pain on the monitor issue but thank you. Ok I did a mini edit on a few video clips and am getting the message shown in the below link. If the link doesn't work here is what it says. I have Rendered before and I just tried to Render in the same exact format as always. about 35% into rendering I get 2 pop up windows.

One from Vegas saying , " An error has occurred while creating the media file Cessna Skylane" "The system is low on memory. You may be able to reduce memory usage by closing other programs".

Then a Windows window saying, " Close program to prevent information loss. Your computer is low on memory. Save your files and close these programs. "

On my D Drive I have 1 TB Free and on my C Drive about 100 GB Free.

I have a very powerful computer it is not low on memory so what is going on ????

Please help Steve
Thanks


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Steve Rhoden
Re: Sony Vegas Monitor Issue
on Oct 7, 2015 at 12:36:14 am

Its probably something you have on the timeline that is causing
Vegas to be behaving like that ( a corrupt video clip or codec issue or
something like that
). Try a basic render with some basic standard files
etc and see if the render still produces this error.
If the problem persists, do a clean Vegas re-install (you wont lose
any of your current Vegas settings
).

Steve Rhoden (Cow Leader)
Film Maker & VFX Artist.
Owner of Filmex Creative Media.
Samples of my Work and Company can be seen here:
http://www.facebook.com/FilmexCreativeMedia


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John Rofrano
Re: Sony Vegas Monitor Issue
on Oct 7, 2015 at 12:04:39 pm

[Steve Rhoden] "All these software developers need to get with the program and start making their tools GUI high resolution and UHD scalable, the technology isn't a fad and is not going away!"
Actually Microsoft needs to get with the program! The Mac doesn't have this problem. Applications should adjust to larger screens automatically simply by using the Windows API. The fact that the Windows API can't do this is a fault of Microsoft NOT the application developers. The developers that do the extra work to make their application scale are doing a LOT of extra low-level work for something that should be included with the Windows API automatically. Apple has done this work for the developer and all of the applications on the 27" iMac Retina 5K are very readable. So this is a Windows problem created by Microsoft.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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Steve Rhoden
Re: Sony Vegas Monitor Issue
on Oct 8, 2015 at 11:54:17 am

I'm tempted to go Mac, each time i sit at my workstation, lol
But i honestly cant cram anymore New software and technological
learning in my head right now, sheeesh, too much in there already.
Why the hell Mac is always a step ahead of Microsoft in so many areas beats me!

Steve Rhoden (Cow Leader)
Film Maker & VFX Artist.
Owner of Filmex Creative Media.
Samples of my Work and Company can be seen here:
http://www.facebook.com/FilmexCreativeMedia


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John Rofrano
Re: Sony Vegas Monitor Issue
on Oct 8, 2015 at 12:11:25 pm

[Steve Rhoden] "Why the hell Mac is always a step ahead of Microsoft in so many areas beats me!"
Honestly? ...because Microsoft doesn't innovate. They follow the trends. Every time they try and innovate, you get a debacle like the Metro interface. It's just not in their culture i guess.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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shawn steele
Re: Sony Vegas Monitor Issue
on Oct 8, 2015 at 6:14:52 pm

I have a similar issue Vegas 13 - It's scaling, but it's scaling WAY TOO MUCH - Icons and menus are OK, but the text is ginormous. And the window sizes are too small for the scaled text.

Win10 running a 4K monitor @ 125% scaling.


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John Rofrano
Re: Sony Vegas Monitor Issue
on Oct 9, 2015 at 2:42:58 am

[shawn steele] "Win10 running a 4K monitor @ 125% scaling."
Microsoft Windows scalling is broken. I wouldn't run it at anything but 100%. Change the monitor resolution if you have to but don't scale the text. t won't work properly because of the way the Windows APIs work. Which is why I say that they are broken. I wish Microsoft would fix this.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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John Laird
Re: Sony Vegas Monitor Issue
on Oct 16, 2015 at 4:02:24 am

What video card are you using? Be careful that your card can handle the 4 k res. I have seen this problem when trying to render 4k with a card set at a lower res as it can't cope with the higher resolution of the video. Your monitor is not the only item which has to be powerful to handle 4k. When this issue happened to me I saw an indication POPUP the card crashed.

John



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Robert Engle
Re: Sony Vegas Monitor Issue
on Oct 16, 2015 at 6:58:04 pm

I have the Ge Force 760 TI and the 560 Ti video cards. But im not rendering in 4K just HD regular for now. I do have the issue fixed the post after yours I tried what he said and it worked.
Thanks


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Tim Neighbors
Re: Sony Vegas Monitor Issue
on Feb 15, 2017 at 12:44:42 am

Hi John,
I realize this is an old thread. I'm looking to buy a laptop that I'll use with Vegas and Adobe CC. With Vegas 14 will this still be an issue if I get a Win10 laptop with a 4K display? Will all of the icons and text be tiny or have they since improved the scaling ability of the software? I was hoping that a higher resolution monitor would allow me to see focus better on the smaller screen of a laptop and possibly make it more tolerable to work on a single monitor. Am I better off going with a 1080 monitor paired with a second, external monitor?

Thanks!


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John Rofrano
Re: Sony Vegas Monitor Issue
on Feb 15, 2017 at 5:25:23 am

[Tim Neighbors] "With Vegas 14 will this still be an issue if I get a Win10 laptop with a 4K display? Will all of the icons and text be tiny or have they since improved the scaling ability of the software?"
Sorry Tim but I don't use Vegas Pro or a PC anymore so I really can't answer your questions.

I moved to a Mac Pro 12-Core and now use Final Cut Pro X and it looks absolutely gorgeous on a 5K display. ;-)

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasstsoftware.com



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Tim Neighbors
Re: Sony Vegas Monitor Issue
on Feb 16, 2017 at 3:24:32 am

John,

Sorry to lose you. 😉
If you don't mind, I'm curious to hear from a long-time Vegas expert who has switched to FCP, how was that transition? Do you recommend others make the switch? I've only dabbled in FCP, but wanted to pull my hair out with how slow it seemed to be, though in all fairness, that was FCP7 and I probably just needed to get used to it. Not being able to tweak things on the timeline without stopping playback would slow me down a lot.


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John Rofrano
Re: Sony Vegas Monitor Issue
on Feb 18, 2017 at 5:49:09 pm

[Tim Neighbors] "If you don't mind, I'm curious to hear from a long-time Vegas expert who has switched to FCP, how was that transition?"
The transition was extremely easy coming from Vegas Pro because FCP X lets you work in pretty much the same way. I mostly drag stuff to the timeline and manipulate it there and FCP X lets you do that with the same ease as Vegas Pro. It's not picky about 3-point editing, or conforming to a certain frame rate or resolution or format or any of that. You just drop stuff on the timeline and it works. FCP 7 was NOT like that. FCP X is a LOT like Vegas Pro in that regard.
[Tim Neighbors] "Do you recommend others make the switch?"
Only if you want to buy a Mac! 😉 You see I switched to the Mac first and then continued to use Vegas Pro in VMware Fusion and then got tired of the limitation of no GPU hardware support and started looking for a native Mac solution which is when I started using Final Cut Pro X. So I did not switch to FCP X as much as I switched to the Mac and then started using FCP X and left Vegas Pro behind. It was more organic than deliberate.

To answer your question: Yes, I would recommend that anyone who owns a Mac check out FCP X instead of trying to get Vegas Pro to work in a VM. FCP X is a far more creative experience with it's "magnetic timeline" and has more capabilities than Vegas Pro has (in addition to some gorgeous broadcast quality generated media that makes Vegas Pro look amateurish by comparison) Many things that require plug-ins in Vegas Pro are built into FCP X like syncing external audio with video, 3D Titles, particles, and audio noise reduction to name a few. Effects like chroma key are light-years ahead of what Vegas Pro has. Let's face it, Vegas Pro effects are based on 10 year old technology and it shows. The tight integration that FCP X has with Apple Motion is a powerful combination for using customized Motion Graphics in FCP X. There are also many more plug-ins to choose from for FCP X than for Vegas Pro. It just has a richer ecosystem supporting it.
[Tim Neighbors] "I've only dabbled in FCP, but wanted to pull my hair out with how slow it seemed to be, though in all fairness, that was FCP7 and I probably just needed to get used to it."
FCP 7 was a completely different program. No comparison. FCP 7 required you to conform all of your video to the same resolution and frame rate, it did not allow you to edit many native formats so you had to convert everything to Apple ProRes 422, etc. There is simply no comparison between FCP 7 and FCP X. They don't look the same, they don't behave the same, they are not remotely the same.

FCP X is video editing re-imagined... actually, it's "story telling with video" re-imagined. There are no tracks. There is a Primary Storyline that is "magnetic" (i.e., clips stick together without gaps) with Secondary Storylines that are magnetically anchored to the primary clips. As you move clips on the primary storyline, any secondary clips or entire secondary storylines move with them and there are never any gaps or clips overlaying each other or hiding behind other clips like in Vegas Pro because there are no tracks to get in the way. It's a very creative and productive way to work. I could never go back to editing video with tracks again. Not in any program.
[Tim Neighbors] "Not being able to tweak things on the timeline without stopping playback would slow me down a lot."
FCP X allows you to do this. Just set up a playback loop and continue to manipulate and trim clips on the timeline while playback is still going. Like I said, FCP X is nothing like FCP 7 and a lot like Vegas Pro in some regards. I found the transition very easy.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasstsoftware.com



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Tim Neighbors
Re: Sony Vegas Monitor Issue
on Feb 18, 2017 at 8:39:46 pm

John, thanks for the info. You've given me a lot to think about. I was planning to switch to Premiere, but after your post, I'm downloading a trial of FCPX to try it out.
It's hard for me to imagine editing without tracks - Layering multiple composite layers and mixing multiple audio sources, etc. But I guess I'll understand a bit better after checking out the trial.
Thanks again, and thanks for all of the Vegas help over the years.

Maybe I'll end up following you to the Mac/FCP world. We'll see.


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John Rofrano
Re: Sony Vegas Monitor Issue
on Feb 19, 2017 at 6:10:28 pm

[Tim Neighbors] "It's hard for me to imagine editing without tracks - Layering multiple composite layers and mixing multiple audio sources, etc. But I guess I'll understand a bit better after checking out the trial. "
You will need to have it explained to you because as an existing "track based" NLE user, you have a lot to Unlearn! It's not going to be familiar so you really need some training. It's a whole new approach. I highly recommend Ripple Training I've bought a LOT of their training material and it is top notch! They have a lot of free stuff as well. There are some hour long tutorials on YouTube from others like David A. Cox that are good. Just search for "fcpx training". It's worth it to sit and watch and get the concepts and then you'll have a much easier time of it. Good luck!

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasstsoftware.com



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Aaron Star
Re: Sony Vegas Monitor Issue
on Feb 16, 2017 at 3:04:16 am

I really do not understand questions like this. Just buy the laptop you are thinking about, load the apps (even if they are trials), then test. If the product sucks and you cannot read it, return the product and let them know why.

I would not buy a laptop to do image editing, maybe photoshop if the display is good enough. Laptops (windows, Linux, or Apple-linux) are crap generally in the hardware department. Portable chip makers tend to name the laptop components inline with the desktop counterparts, but they do not have the same performance abilities in anyway. You have to buy higher end laptops to get a decent display, apple or windows for that matter.

Even just comparing GFLOP performance on CPU and GPU between laptop and workstation, would give you a simple view of what I am talking about. There are plenty of other

But if you are a road video warrior that needs to edit from a different motel6 room every night. Maybe a laptop is the best solution in that case.


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Tim Neighbors
Re: Sony Vegas Monitor Issue
on Feb 16, 2017 at 3:17:16 am

Thanks for the info Aaron. But I need to get a laptop that will work relatively soon, so I'm hoping somebody out there has an answer to my question. No time for buying, installing, returning, and buying again.


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