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Ross Stark
Herky-Jerky footage on DVD
on Aug 30, 2015 at 4:08:46 am

Ok, SVP users, I need help. I've filmed a wedding ceremony with the following cameras: (2) Canon HF G10s and a Canon XL2. I edited the footage in Vegas 11. I set the project properties to match the G10 footage. (I'm not where I can check at the moment, but I'm pretty sure it's 1080i.) The XL2 is an SD camera, of course. I then rendered the project to DVD Architect compatible mpg2 and aac files. In DVD Architect, I simply imported the compatible files and prepared the disc and burned it to a DVD.

We reviewed the DVD on our TV and noticed a problem. Anytime it cuts to the XL2 footage, it is Herky-Jerky. Almost the same look as when you drop your shutter speed to 1/30. I'm thinking this is a problem with my project properties since this is a new way of doing things for me and this is the first time I've encountered such. Any help?


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Steve Rhoden
Re: Herky-Jerky footage on DVD
on Aug 30, 2015 at 10:36:28 am

Because the XL2 footage is SD, so the Herky-Jerky effect you described is caused by the upconversion process to HD (cause you set the project settings
to 1080i
) and then its down converted again to fit on a DVD.
Try changing your Vegas project settings to HDV 720-30p instead, doesn't
need to be as high as 1080i given your situation.

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John Rofrano
Re: Herky-Jerky footage on DVD
on Aug 30, 2015 at 3:58:44 pm

[Ross Stark] "I'm thinking this is a problem with my project properties since this is a new way of doing things for me and this is the first time I've encountered such. Any help?"
You could start by posting a screen capture of your project properties. That would help. ;-)



~jr

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Ross Stark
Re: Herky-Jerky footage on DVD
on Aug 31, 2015 at 2:00:59 am

I've (hopefully) attached the screenshot you asked about.

I really appreciate the input on my problem here.

I set up the project properties like this because I saw where it was supposed to improve the overall video quality, however, the terminal media for this is DVD, so would it really be a problem to just set the project properties to the DVD Architect Widescreen setting?



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John Rofrano
Re: Herky-Jerky footage on DVD
on Aug 31, 2015 at 12:38:43 pm

[Ross Stark] "I set up the project properties like this because I saw where it was supposed to improve the overall video quality, however, the terminal media for this is DVD, so would it really be a problem to just set the project properties to the DVD Architect Widescreen setting?"
Your project properties look fine for an NTSC HD project.

There are two strategies: One is to edit in HD and render to SD DVD, the other is to edit in SD DVD to begin with. Since you have SD footage, you might be better off changing your project to NTSC DV Widescreen (720x480, 29.970 fps) and dropping the HD footage into that.

The next thing to check is the GL2 footage. Can you right-click on an event that contains GL2 media and select Properties... and then the Media tab and take a screen shot of that? I want to see how Vegas Pro is interpreting the GL2 media.

~jr

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Ross Stark
Re: Herky-Jerky footage on DVD
on Sep 2, 2015 at 8:30:04 pm

Media properties from the XL2:



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John Rofrano
Re: Herky-Jerky footage on DVD
on Sep 2, 2015 at 9:58:40 pm

[Ross Stark] "Media properties from the XL2:"
Awesome! That's your problem right there:

Filed order: None (progressive scan)

NTSC DV is not progressive. It's Lower field first. That's why your video is not being deinterlaceds properly. Change the Field order to Lower Field First and render again. Your problem should be solved.

~jr

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Ross Stark
Re: Herky-Jerky footage on DVD
on Sep 2, 2015 at 10:35:33 pm

Ok. thanks for the info.

Does it matter that I was recording in 30p with the XL2? I think every time I use footage from the XL2 it interprets it the same way. Haven't noticed a problem before.


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John Rofrano
Re: Herky-Jerky footage on DVD
on Sep 3, 2015 at 11:37:15 am

[Ross Stark] "Does it matter that I was recording in 30p with the XL2?"
DV is not progressive. If Cannon is somehow shooting 30p and putting it into a DV stream then you need to ask Canon what they are doing. That's not standard DV footage anymore and it looks like Vegas Pro has correctly interpreted this.

Without knowing what "Herky-Jerky" means to you, I really can help any further. Maybe you can post a small video to how us what you're talking about?

I assumed that you had the field order wrong which causes movement to jerk back and forth. If you are telling me that the DV footage is somehow progressive, then that's probably not the case. 30p is not as smooth as 60i. I'm beginning to think that you may just not like the look of 30p (which does not move like 60i and can be jerky like 24p) but if you've shot this way before and it was fine, then I have no idea what might be wrong. (sorry)

~jr

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Thayalan Paramasawam
Re: Herky-Jerky footage on DVD
on Sep 3, 2015 at 1:59:18 am

Hi Sir (Mr.John Rofrano)

Sir..can you explain me the field order setting for blu ray,dvd and you tube because i am also doing same mistake.

My footage details:

1920X1080 50p (if i match projecti setting the field order shows progressive scan)

Thank you
Thayalan Paramasawam

http://www.jptsskyvision.com
System Details:
Motherboard - Asus M5A99X-EVO,HardDrive1 boot C:SSD Kingston,Processor - Amd FX 8350 4.0/4.2 GHZ,Ram - 16 GB,Graphic Card - Asus Gtx 650 1GB DDR 5,Blu Ray Writer - Plextor PX-B950SA,Operating System - Window 7 Pro 64 Bit and Editing Programe - Sony Vegas Pro 12


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John Rofrano
Re: Herky-Jerky footage on DVD
on Sep 3, 2015 at 11:46:05 am

[Thayalan Paramasawam] "can you explain me the field order setting for blu ray,dvd and you tube because i am also doing same mistake."
Blue-ray and DVD are both interlaced formats at 1080. The field order should be Upper Field First.

YouTube is a progressive format. The field order should be None (progressive).
[Thayalan Paramasawam] "1920X1080 50p (if i match projecti setting the field order shows progressive scan)"
That's correct. The 'p' in '50p' means 'progressive scan'.

~jr

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http://www.vasst.com



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Thayalan Paramasawam
Re: Herky-Jerky footage on DVD
on Sep 3, 2015 at 11:50:55 am

Thank you very much sir (Mr.John Rofrano)now i understand what and how to use field order.

Thank You
Thayalan Paramasawam

http://www.jptsskyvision.com
System Details:
Motherboard - Asus M5A99X-EVO,HardDrive1 boot C:SSD Kingston,Processor - Amd FX 8350 4.0/4.2 GHZ,Ram - 16 GB,Graphic Card - Asus Gtx 650 1GB DDR 5,Blu Ray Writer - Plextor PX-B950SA,Operating System - Window 7 Pro 64 Bit and Editing Programe - Sony Vegas Pro 12


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