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Angelo Mike
DJI Phantom 3 Standard camera workable with Sony Vegas?
on Aug 8, 2015 at 4:00:46 am

Anyone know about this? The DJI Phantom 3 Standard looks great and is only $800, and I'm wondering if anyone knows what codec is in the camera and if it's easy to work with on Vegas. I tried chatting with DJI's online help but the person didn't even know. I sent an email, but if anyone has information that may be useful for working with it I'd appreciate it.

Here's the Phantom 3 Standard: http://store.dji.com/product/phantom-3-standard


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John Rofrano
Re: DJI Phantom 3 Standard camera workable with Sony Vegas?
on Aug 8, 2015 at 1:43:39 pm

[Angelo Mike] "I tried chatting with DJI's online help but the person didn't even know."
This should be a clue that the company is staffed with incompetent people and you might not want to buy their products because you will get no support. After all, the main product is a video camera, How could they not know what format it shoots?

I checked the link in your post and there is no mention of video format. That tells me that they are not targeting video editors. What do they think the purpose of their device is for? It's certainly not to fly around... it's to take video. Yet no mention of the video format except 2.7K HD which I have no idea what that means because HD, 2K, and 4K and the industry standard formats, not 2.7K. So again, it seems the company is producing a nonstandard product.

Did you check the DJI Forums? I did, and I found lots of people complaining that they cannot edit the video and others recommending that they use a video converter to convert the footage. This sounds like a product that you will need to convert all of the video before you can edit it. Perhaps you should ask the question on the DJI forums but their customers seem to be just as clueless about video formats. One of them was saying that AVCHD was a Mac format! Really? lol

I did glean that it shoots MOV or MP4. Unfortunately, that's not enough to go by. I would ask the company for a clip taken directly from the camera to see if you can work with it.

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Thayalan Paramasawam
Re: DJI Phantom 3 Standard camera workable with Sony Vegas?
on Aug 8, 2015 at 2:18:33 pm

I am also using phantom 3 but i change the camera to gopro hero 4 silver,if you use the orginal camera given by dji is not for filming.

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Steve Rhoden
Re: DJI Phantom 3 Standard camera workable with Sony Vegas?
on Aug 9, 2015 at 3:48:16 am

"tried chatting with DJI's online help but the person didn't even know"

Incompetent staff indeed. If a basic question as that cannot be answered and
the main purpose of this device is for video captures, then that tells a lot
about the company!
Still, ask them if they can provide you with a sample clip for testing, then
again, i know what their response is gonna be.

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Danny Hays
Re: DJI Phantom 3 Standard camera workable with Sony Vegas?
on Aug 9, 2015 at 4:36:22 am

From what I read on this thread, I would steer clear of that camera as well, but if you want to try and get some test footage from it, try searching Vimeo for that camera because of somebody uploaded a clip from a camera that has a Vimeo plus or higher account, you will be able to download the original uploaded clip. A free Vimeo account will do that for the first week but then not allow you to download the original clip but also down grade any 1080 video - 720.

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Matt Smitherz
Re: DJI Phantom 3 Standard camera workable with Sony Vegas?
on Aug 9, 2015 at 11:33:59 am
Last Edited By Matt Smitherz on Aug 9, 2015 at 11:38:08 am

you can ask here

http://www.phantompilots.com/forums/phantom-3-discussion.81/

and here

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2384430

Cameras should be the same as on p3 professional & inspire, only with a limited output.

And from DJI CEO' interview and other news they are using same ambarella A9soc chip as gopro4.

"Ambarella’s fiscal first quarter results, released late Tuesday, make that number look attainable. The company, which makes the video encoding chips used in DJI drones as well as GoPro cameras .."
http://www.wsj.com/articles/ambarella-and-gopro-fly-high-on-drones-14333573...

http://forum.dji.com/thread-19599-1-1.html

http://www.ambarella.com/uploads/docs/A9%20Product%20Brief.pdf

+ I found this..
http://hdconverter.blogspot.it/2015/08/how-can-i-load-4k-video-from-dji-pha...


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Angelo Mike
Re: DJI Phantom 3 Standard camera workable with Sony Vegas?
on Aug 9, 2015 at 1:01:17 pm

Curse you, DJI! I can't get a straight answer and am still waiting on their tech support to respond to my email.


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Steve Rhoden
Re: DJI Phantom 3 Standard camera workable with Sony Vegas?
on Aug 9, 2015 at 1:36:20 pm

Angelo, I wouldn't bother!

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John Rofrano
Re: DJI Phantom 3 Standard camera workable with Sony Vegas?
on Aug 9, 2015 at 2:02:35 pm

[Matt Smitherz] "And from DJI CEO' interview and other news they are using same ambarella A9soc chip as gopro4."
That means that they have the potential to capture the same quality as a GoPro but what matters is how they compress the footage after it's captured. I'm guessing to keep the costs low they are using an encoder that isn't very compatible with most NLE's rather that licensing one of the better encoder. Or maybe that decision was driven by the processing power of the device?

It looks like if you purchase this camera you will need to re-encode all of the footage you shoot with it so as long as you are OK with that workflow, it's a good deal. This seems to be a stigma with PC editors. If you were on a Mac, you wouldn't think twice about this because the normal workflow is to take whatever horrible format your camera shoots and convert it to ProRes 422 on ingestion. Since this camera shoots MOV too, perhaps they were targeting Mac editors who wouldn't even know that the camera footage was difficult to edit because they wouldn't have even tried because they always convert to ProRes 422 on ingestion.

I wonder how well the native footage works with Final Cut Pro X? While Vegas editors where having trouble editing Go Pro footage, every time they posted a sample, I would load it into FCP X and it would edit beautifully. So maybe this camera is was tested with FCP X and it worked well. I'd love to get some raw footage and try it out so Angelo, if you find some, post back to this thread and I'll be sure to load it into FCP X and see how it performs.

Bottom line: I would still worry that the support people could offer no video support. They are probably only trained to support flying the device but at the end of the day, what matters most is the video it shoots.

~jr

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Danny Hays
Re: DJI Phantom 3 Standard camera workable with Sony Vegas?
on Aug 9, 2015 at 2:59:13 pm

One option is to go to Vimeo and search for that camera. Is somebody with the non free account like Vimeo plus or higher they allow you to download the original footage for more than a week for many of free user account you can download it for a week and then after a week you can't even download app nada everything is converted to 720 and the original footage is deleted. Good luck but personally I look for a different camera look into the Panasonic TM 700 I have a couple of them I love them absolutely.

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Danny Hays
Re: DJI Phantom 3 Standard camera workable with Sony Vegas?
on Aug 10, 2015 at 5:38:31 am

Did the camera fix the fish eye effect while it was recording and that's the file you got from it? It looks like it was fish eye fixed with GoPro studio. It does the same as what I see in this video by stretching out the sides where things are wider on the left the right and when you pan you can see the things on the left and right are moving faster than in the middle. I found a fix for that in Vegas if you can get the video from the camera before it fixes the fish eye effect without that problem. Let me know if you're interested on how to do that.

Danny Hays
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Angelo Mike
Re: DJI Phantom 3 Standard camera workable with Sony Vegas?
on Aug 10, 2015 at 5:57:06 pm
Last Edited By Angelo Mike on Aug 10, 2015 at 6:02:13 pm

Wow. Thanks, John! Just to be clear, do you know if this camera is similar to the one used on the Phantom 3 Standard? It's the on board camera, not a Go Pro? Great video, too.


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Angelo Mike
Re: DJI Phantom 3 Standard camera workable with Sony Vegas?
on Aug 10, 2015 at 10:59:01 pm
Last Edited By Angelo Mike on Aug 10, 2015 at 11:08:56 pm

Wow, great info, John. So do you just put the 4k footage directly into Vegas? Is there any work around? And could you provide me a small sample for me to download and test? I would mainly use this for shooting exteriors of houses for sale. Do you really think the additional features are worth it over the lower price for the Standard considering I'm not going to use it (never say never...) for much other than flying around houses? The Standard already has some really good features, like live video to your phone and the ability to autopilot around a set point, which would make it easy for me to get it to do a semi-circle around a house.


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Danny Hays
Re: DJI Phantom 3 Standard camera workable with Sony Vegas?
on Aug 11, 2015 at 1:10:15 am

Wow! I just researched that a little. If I understand, the remote control of the phantom is separate from the remote control of the camera right? Is all the Phantom 2 the same as the Phantom 3 Other than the 3 comes with gimble and camera? I have a GoPro Hero 4 Black already. I know I cant control it at a mile away like you can control the phantom. How far can you control the 4k camera you have? Also the gopro app doesn't give me a really great preview live but is totally usable. You get a 4k or 1080 preview live with your camera? If I put my GoPro on a Phantom, I would have to use the gopro app intead of the DJI app right?

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John Rofrano
Re: DJI Phantom 3 Standard camera workable with Sony Vegas?
on Aug 11, 2015 at 9:22:04 pm

[John Laird] "Here is the link to the file you requested. It is 1920 by 1080 downrezzed in vegas so you will be able to play it back without a 4 k monitor and video card."
I don't believe that's what Angelo wanted. It sounds like he wanted the actual file from the camera so that he can see if he can work with it on his computer.

~jr

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Angelo Mike
Re: DJI Phantom 3 Standard camera workable with Sony Vegas?
on Aug 12, 2015 at 8:27:10 pm

[John Rofrano] "I don't believe that's what Angelo wanted. It sounds like he wanted the actual file from the camera so that he can see if he can work with it on his computer."

Yes, that's exactly what I meant.


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John Rofrano
Re: DJI Phantom 3 Standard camera workable with Sony Vegas?
on Aug 16, 2015 at 2:52:53 pm

You might want to look at the comments on this B&H article about the Phantom 3 and DJI in particular.

Unveiled: DJI Phantom 3 Standard

Three people posted that their products don't work and their customer service is he worst. Here is one comment:
Beware of DJI, their service sucks and they specialize in dodging issues with their email only customer service. I have spent 3000. with them and I am totally disatisfied.
I'd be very cautious of their products.

~jr

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Angelo Mike
Re: DJI Phantom 3 Standard camera workable with Sony Vegas?
on Aug 17, 2015 at 10:35:20 pm

I hate to say it, but it sounds like I should at least hold off on the drone.


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John Rofrano
Re: DJI Phantom 3 Standard camera workable with Sony Vegas?
on Aug 18, 2015 at 2:30:24 am

Well... at least on that one. Get a drone that accepts a GoPro. Then you won't have to worry about the quality of the camera.

~jr

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Angelo Mike
Re: DJI Phantom 3 Standard camera workable with Sony Vegas?
on Aug 20, 2015 at 12:05:31 am

I see. I just thought that that gets more complicated because the DJI's own camera is well stabilized. I have no experience with drones so this is still something I'd want to research.


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Angelo Mike
Re: DJI Phantom 3 Standard camera workable with Sony Vegas?
on Aug 20, 2015 at 4:59:03 pm
Last Edited By Angelo Mike on Aug 20, 2015 at 8:31:10 pm

Interesting news. http://www.squaretrade.com/ offers warranties on electronics you purchase. I called them and they cover drones. I asked about what a $1000 drone warranty would cost for 3 years, and it's $209.99. And he said it covers everything except accidental damage.

I read other people say that they got their claims processed and paid for quickly with them, so that makes the decision easier for me (since my client is paying for it up front and basically leasing to own to me. Otherwise I still wouldn't do it).

Edit: I went ahead with the order and a warranty for a DJI Phantom 3 Advanced with a 1080p camera. I'll let you all know how it goes.


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Angelo Mike
Re: DJI Phantom 3 Standard camera workable with Sony Vegas?
on Aug 27, 2015 at 12:23:49 am
Last Edited By Angelo Mike on Aug 27, 2015 at 2:56:38 pm

For anyone who's interested, I got the DJI Phantom 3 Advanced and test edited and rendered some footage, and it worked fine. You can put it in an mov or mp4 container, and I guess it's a fairly standard H.264 codec. I didn't fly it, I just turned it on in my room, and even in low light the 1080p camera quality (and the camera is TINY) is decent.

Another thing to note is that I had to do a firmware update that took about 25 minutes on the drone itself. Even though there's a PDF that says it will turn its lights off and stop beeping when it's done, it doesn't. So I let it go another 20 minutes or so before I realized I could turn it off. And I tried endlessly to update the firmware on the remote control only to see that, apparently, the reason I couldn't update it is because it doesn't need it.

There's still some challenges with just getting it functional (I didn't even try flying it, and the camera didn't stream live to my phone as it's supposed to). Trying to actually fly this thing is going to be the real challenge, along with general management of it. It's a pretty delicate device. But so far I'm glad I went through with the decision. I'd much rather deal with the more advanced, easier to use drones in the future.


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John Rofrano
Re: DJI Phantom 3 Standard camera workable with Sony Vegas?
on Aug 27, 2015 at 11:15:58 am

Thanks for getting back to us. Given the choice of MP4 or MOV should should definitely shoot MP4 if you are editing with Vegas Pro. Good Luck with it!

~jr

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Angelo Mike
Re: DJI Phantom 3 Standard camera workable with Sony Vegas?
on Aug 27, 2015 at 2:14:57 pm

Thanks for the info, I would have mindlessly left it on MOV.

However, another issue came up, which now makes me realize I should have researched this a lot more carefully. I live by DC, where we have about a 15 mile no fly zone around the city in every direction. The Phantom 3 won't even start its propellers within the no fly zone. Meaning I'd have to find a place where I can safely test this, in good conditions, with its approximately 20 minute battery, when I have no experience even starting it in proper. Even after I get the second battery, that's only 40 minutes, and that's if I'm in a safe space and good weather. I don't even know where I'd find such a space anywhere near by.

So, right now this whole decision has turned out to be a bust. I have to talk to the company I'm working for about what to do from here, because they don't seem aware that I cannot fly this within the no fly zone.


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Danny Hays
Re: DJI Phantom 3 Standard camera workable with Sony Vegas?
on Aug 27, 2015 at 3:10:40 pm

Wow! The only way to do that I think would be to jam the control frequency between the hand controller and the Phantom. Does the controller even see and connect to the Phantom? Have you gone outside the no Flyzone see if the motors will start? If the controller sees the Phantom I think it may be a problem with the units.

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Angelo Mike
Re: DJI Phantom 3 Standard camera workable with Sony Vegas?
on Aug 27, 2015 at 4:02:03 pm
Last Edited By Angelo Mike on Aug 27, 2015 at 9:21:21 pm

Yes, the controller connected to the phantom. I was able to move the camera with it and had my DJI GO app running on my phone.

Even if I could operate it, I would never fly it in a no fly zone.


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Danny Hays
Re: DJI Phantom 3 Standard camera workable with Sony Vegas?
on Aug 27, 2015 at 6:48:51 pm
Last Edited By Danny Hays on Aug 27, 2015 at 6:54:40 pm

I don't blame you. I wouldn't want to do that myself. But I can't understand how the starting of the motors only could be disabled. I watched a comparison video between the Phantom 3 and the 3DR Solo, and the Phantom 3 clearly won. But the gimble was not available for the 3DR yet. Even if it was, too many fly away problems with the 3DR as of now.






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