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Matthew Jeschke
SVP13 Sony Stabilize APPLY button doesn't work
on Jul 1, 2015 at 7:06:57 pm

Anybody else having this problem. Recently upgraded to 13. Following instructions to stabilize video shot on my Canon 5d mk2. Worked like a champ on same files in SVP10

Now when I add the FX to the clip it will not let me press the apply button.



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Aleksey Tarasov
Re: SVP13 Sony Stabilize APPLY button doesn't work
on Jul 1, 2015 at 7:47:43 pm

You must apply Stabilize effect as Media FX


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Matthew Jeschke
Re: SVP13 Sony Stabilize APPLY button doesn't work
on Jul 1, 2015 at 7:50:51 pm

That's the problem. The apply button is not responsive.

Stabilize works on clips but not on this camera as SVP10 did.

I'm learning the ropes of online publishing. Mostly as an excuse to play with more cameras.

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Aleksey Tarasov
Re: SVP13 Sony Stabilize APPLY button doesn't work
on Jul 1, 2015 at 8:00:18 pm

Select an event on the timeline and choose Tools > Video > Media FX




Mercalli Video Stabilization Software


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John Rofrano
Re: SVP13 Sony Stabilize APPLY button doesn't work
on Jul 1, 2015 at 7:57:19 pm

I believe that later versions of the Stabilize plug-in only work as a Media FX. if you placed it on an event on the timeline, remove it, find the media that the event uses in the Project Media, right-click on it and select "Add Media FX" and then add Stabilize. That should make the Apply button work.

~jr

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http://www.vasst.com



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Matthew Jeschke
Re: SVP13 Sony Stabilize APPLY button doesn't work
on Jul 1, 2015 at 8:05:51 pm

Holy weirdness batman... That worked, wonder why when I right click clip in timeline -> then click media FX... It does not work... But if I right click clip from Project Media tab -> then click media FX from context menu it works.

Thanks for your help. You saved my day!

I'm learning the ropes of online publishing. Mostly as an excuse to play with more cameras.

Here's several of my latest ventures,
http://www.keystoaz.com
http://www.fitlish.com
http://www.corvettemedic.com


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Danny Hays
Re: SVP13 Sony Stabilize APPLY button doesn't work
on Jul 2, 2015 at 1:35:50 am

I normally use Vegas 10e as it works for me. So I tried it in Vegas 12 and discovered some things. Here's a pic of the stabilize effect in Vegas 10. With 10, it shows up in Tools / video/ on the top of the choices. I applied it to an event and it took about a minute to render for a 3 minute video. I can see the difference afterwards.



Here's a pic of Vegas 12. I can right click on the event/ media FX and added stabilize and it is responsive with the event on the timeline and in the project media tab. I tried applying it both ways and it finishes in less than 1/4 of a second and I don't see a difference in the preview. It doesn't seem to work in Vegas 12.



Here's a pic of trying it by trying it with the timeline event icon. It tells us how to supposedly use it now and is not responsive.



Also Vegas 10 plays 1080p 60 perfectly smooth with the preview set to best full. Not so for me with newer versions.
Just another reason why I stick with Vegas 10.
Anyone have any good reasons why newer versions are better?



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Matthew Jeschke
Re: SVP13 Sony Stabilize APPLY button doesn't work
on Jul 2, 2015 at 2:42:56 am

I was running VSP10 and it wouldn't play my videos on the timeline very well. It also occasionally would crash, especially if I didn't disable the virus protector and background services like it.

I didn't get a chance to evaluate 11 or 12. But 13 had the GPU acceleration feature.

The thing that surprises me is its so slow to render. Not any faster than my older version 10. I'd have thought better GPU utilization would have assisted with render times as well.

I'm running an 8 core 4 ghrz AMD processor (cannot remember the type FX?) With a 7950 Radeon GPU, SSD HD, and 8 gigs of memory.

My timeline playback with SVP13 is INFINITELY better than I got with SVP10. 10 I'd litteraly have to put into draft quality timeline playback. Now I can do full best on SVP13 and playback, it will skip from time to time on clips that are reversed, sped up, and on some clip transitions. Haven't had it crash yet on me though which is great.

I'm learning the ropes of online publishing. Mostly as an excuse to play with more cameras.

Here's several of my latest ventures,
http://www.keystoaz.com
http://www.fitlish.com
http://www.corvettemedic.com


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John Rofrano
Re: SVP13 Sony Stabilize APPLY button doesn't work
on Jul 2, 2015 at 12:26:02 pm

[Matthew Jeschke] "The thing that surprises me is its so slow to render. Not any faster than my older version 10. I'd have thought better GPU utilization would have assisted with render times as well."
The Stabilize plug-in was licensed by Sony from ProDAD. It's based on Mercalli which may not use a GPU. Vegas Pro users can buy Mercalli V2 plug-in to get even better stabilization but it doesn't support Movie Studio. There is also a stand alone version that is up to Version 4. While not as convenient, you might want to stabilize your footage with the stand alone version first before editing and then edit with the already stabilized footage in your project. This will increase render times significantly since you will only render the stabilized footage once before editing.

~jr

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http://www.vasst.com



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Matthew Jeschke
Re: SVP13 Sony Stabilize APPLY button doesn't work
on Jul 2, 2015 at 7:59:34 pm

John you're AWESOME! And I LOVE this forum. One of my favorite hands down. I feel mounts, and better camera control are ideal. I drool over footage from the guys who use them. However, they've invested thousands (if not tens of thousands) in rigs. This software really helps avoid that expensive investment with a responsible level of quality.

I notice SVP's stabilize tends to morph the image sometimes. It's more than good enough but not spot on. I'll have to give the full fledged Mercalli plug-in a try :)

Thanks!

I'm learning the ropes of online publishing. Mostly as an excuse to play with more cameras.

Here's several of my latest ventures,
http://www.keystoaz.com
http://www.fitlish.com
http://www.corvettemedic.com


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Danny Hays
Re: SVP13 Sony Stabilize APPLY button doesn't work
on Jul 2, 2015 at 9:08:20 pm

[Matthew] I notice SVP's stabilize tends to morph the image sometimes.

I'm curious about what you mean by morph. I know it does crop the video, and how much depends on how you set the parameters in the stabilize effect. The higher you set the amount of the settings, the more it crops but I have not experienced any morphing or distortion. I practice on moving back or zooming out a little while holding a camera to leave some room for cropping as to not lose any part of the image I need to keep. I made a cheap mans glide cam with an old small optics mount that works fairly well. The smaller and lighter the camera is the harder it is to hold steady as we all know. Try holding a gopro still. LOL this mount weighs about a pound. If I hold it it right at the top of the mount where it screws into the camera, the weight helps hold the camera level and steady. Imagine holding a light foot long rod with out shaking. It's still hard to hold still. Now imagine putting a pound weight at the end of the rod. It's much hard to shake. It would be easy to make something like this.





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Matthew Jeschke
Re: SVP13 Sony Stabilize APPLY button doesn't work
on Jul 2, 2015 at 9:21:47 pm

I'm not 100% sure of the version in SVP 13 with the morph effect. However, in the older version SVP10 it had some more parameters to set. I think it may have been doing a crop and possibly perspective adjustment on frames? Sometimes my images looked like they were trying to adjust for tilt via a perspective shift.

I also use an inexpensive tripod dolly and steady cam. Makes a WORLD of difference. However one of my colleagues got a motorized setup and cancels out movement. He shot this video here,

Mount is VERY expensive though :/ His camera is also a bit better than 5d M2 I have in low light.

I design marketing for the Real Estate Market, which is an excellent excuse to spend more time doing and ride off what I love, Photography :)

Some of my work can be seen at,
http://www.youtube.com/keystoaz/
http://www.keystoaz.com/


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Danny Hays
Re: SVP13 Sony Stabilize APPLY button doesn't work
on Jul 2, 2015 at 10:00:26 pm

Wow, that Vimeo vid looks great. I bet I could get the same or very close results with my small home made mount, especially if I add a one pound weight between the camera and the mount, and use the Stabilizer in Vegas 10, since it doesn't work in 12. Imagine holding a baton in the middle. You could start and stop twirling it very easy as well as shaking it. Then imagine adding a pound weight at each end. The result would be drastically different.



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Matthew Jeschke
Re: SVP13 Sony Stabilize APPLY button doesn't work
on Jul 2, 2015 at 10:39:07 pm
Last Edited By Matthew Jeschke on Jul 2, 2015 at 10:55:32 pm

Video below is me doing something similar to what you talk about... I use use a counterbalanced / fly cam and a $30 tripod dolly. Then stabilizing in post with Sony Vegas. It achieves a reasonable quality of stabilization however, I notice it's not quite as good as my colleagues motorized rig / DJI Ronin setup.







I feel it struggles a bit with zoom stabilization (3rd clip from beginning) and somewhat on pitch (think it's using a perspective shift for pitch?) but seems to do great on side to side roll. I've never had great results with rolling shutter on it either.

Ignore the walk through narrated bit at the end. I'm using my cellphone simply to show layout. The cell phone is good enough but I cringe at the quality of audio my phone's firmware has a video audio leveling issue (LG G2 Phone). Trying to find replacement hardware that's as quick and easy to use as my cell phone video camera.

I design marketing for the Real Estate Market, which is an excellent excuse to spend more time doing and ride off what I love, Photography :)

Some of my work can be seen at,
http://www.youtube.com/keystoaz/
http://www.keystoaz.com/


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Danny Hays
Re: SVP13 Sony Stabilize APPLY button doesn't work
on Jul 3, 2015 at 1:14:33 am

Nice! I see what you mean by the phone part. The zoom part on my rig is still the zoom rocker switch on the camera. LOL I've seen glide cams with a large zoom rocker switch. I never looked to see how that remote switch connected to the camera. none of my cameras are expensive enough to have a remote connection on them.



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Danny Hays
Re: SVP13 Sony Stabilize APPLY button doesn't work
on Jul 3, 2015 at 2:55:40 am

Here's a great Panasonic TM700 made clip to experiment on with the stabilize feature. I just tried it in Vegas 10 with all the settings maxed since the video is so shaky. it worked fantastic.

Here's another clip to see the quality of the Panasonic TM700 camera.

Both of the clips are 1080p 60 fps .mts files so let Vegas match the Project properties match the media.

Also these are on Vimeo. To be able to download the original file, you have to be logged on to Vimeo. If you aren't a member, it only takes a minute to sign up. Once you're logged in, the download button lets us download the original file I uploaded. And if you have a free Vimeo account like me, the original only stays available for a week, so if you try to download this more than a week from this post, you can't get the original. Only 720 30 fps.
Alot of people don't see a need for 1080p 60 fps video. I for one can't stand interlaced video. These videos give me 60 perfect pictures per second to save as pics, which I use Vegas for alot. Once you have one in Vegas with matched project properties, zoom in on the event timeline until the left and right keys will increment a frame at a time. Make sure your preview is set to best full. Notice the quality of each frame. Then try the same thing with a 1080i 29.97 file and see the difference.
Neither of these videos have a fast enough movement to really show how good slowing down the video to half speed and see the buttery smooth look with the 60 fps clips. Opinions are definitely welcome. Danny Hays



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Danny Hays
Re: SVP13 Sony Stabilize APPLY button doesn't work
on Jul 3, 2015 at 3:03:53 am

Here's a great Panasonic TM700 made clip to experiment on with the stabilize feature. I just tried it in Vegas 10 with all the settings maxed since the video is so shaky. it worked fantastic.

Here's another clip to see the quality of the Panasonic TM700 camera.

Both of the clips are 1080p 60 fps .mts files so let Vegas match the Project properties match the media.

Also these are on Vimeo. To be able to download the original file, you have to be logged on to Vimeo. If you aren't a member, it only takes a minute to sign up. Once you're logged in, the download button lets us download the original file I uploaded. And if you have a free Vimeo account like me, the original only stays available for a week, so if you try to download this more than a week from this post, you can't get the original. Only 720 30 fps.
Alot of people don't see a need for 1080p 60 fps video. I for one can't stand interlaced video. These videos give me 60 perfect pictures per second to save as pics, which I use Vegas for alot. Once you have one in Vegas with matched project properties, zoom in on the event timeline until the left and right keys will increment a frame at a time. Make sure your preview is set to best full. Notice the quality of each frame. Then try the same thing with a 1080i 29.97 file and see the difference.
Neither of these videos have a fast enough movement to really show how good slowing down the video to half speed and see the buttery smooth look with the 60 fps clips. Opinions are definitely welcome. Danny Hays



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Matthew Jeschke
Re: SVP13 Sony Stabilize APPLY button doesn't work
on Jul 3, 2015 at 5:36:26 pm

I think your video stabilized without compromising image quality much. I shot at 1080p with 24 fps. I'm going to have to boost up my camera. It must stabilize better with higher fps.

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I design primarily Real Estate marketing, which is an excellent excuse to spend more time doing and ride off what I love, Photography :)

Some of my work can be seen at,
http://www.youtube.com/keystoaz/
http://www.keystoaz.com/


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