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Ron Whitaker
Another question: to sublip, or NOT to subclip. That is the question.
on Jun 16, 2015 at 7:59:20 pm

I had an interesting reply on an earlier post of mine, where a Vegas user simply suggested that I not use subclips. Perhaps that's what's causing my problem.

But, if one is making a documentary, or a full-fledged movie, aren't they pretty much needed?

Or, is just going through all the footage in the Trimmer, and then taking notes, sufficient in today's world of film and video editing?

I'd like people's thoughts on that.

Thank you.


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John Rofrano
Re: Another question: to sublip, or NOT to subclip. That is the question.
on Jun 16, 2015 at 8:12:07 pm

[Ron Whitaker] "But, if one is making a documentary, or a full-fledged movie, aren't they pretty much needed?"
Yup. Being able to separate the wheat from the chaff is first step in organizing an edit. ;-)
[Ron Whitaker] "Or, is just going through all the footage in the Trimmer, and then taking notes, sufficient in today's world of film and video editing?"
That seems archaic. The program should be helping you not making you use a pencil and paper.

This is a fundamental function of any NLE. I don't know if too many subclass was your problem but you are editing using the correct workflow.

~jr

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Ron Whitaker
Re: Another question: to sublip, or NOT to subclip. That is the question.
on Jun 16, 2015 at 9:38:59 pm

That's what I thought. Subclips are useful, at least I thought they were supposed to be.

I'm at my wits end, though. I don't know what to do. I've created several hundred in a project, and I can't open any of the iterations of the project files I've created. It just hangs at around 80%.


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John Rofrano
Re: Another question: to sublip, or NOT to subclip. That is the question.
on Jun 17, 2015 at 12:47:50 pm

It could just be a corrupt piece of media and have nothing to do with subclass at all. One way to test is to move the media somewhere else and then move it back a few at a time opening the project each time to see if it loads. When it stops loading, the last media you move back in is probably the problem.

~jr

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Andrew Lenczycki
Re: Another question: to sublip, or NOT to subclip. That is the question.
on Jun 17, 2015 at 3:09:18 pm

Building on what John R. has suggested (loading a few media files at a time): With several hundred media files, this could take some time. Load only the first half of your files - if it works then you know the culprit is in the last half of your files. This would cut down the files to investigate by 1/2. If the second half is problematic, then load the first half of those. If that causes your problem, then you know its in that group of files. Keep loading 1/2 the files at a time and determine whether it the first or second half that contains the file that's causing the problem. If you have 300 media files you would narrow it down from 300 to 150 to 75 to 36 to 18 to 9 to 5 to 3... Hopefully you get the idea. In about 9 attempts you should be able to narrow the focus. Hopefully this makes sense.

Andrew Lenczycki


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John Rofrano
Re: Another question: to sublip, or NOT to subclip. That is the question.
on Jun 17, 2015 at 4:43:34 pm

[Andrew Lenczycki] "With several hundred media files, this could take some time. Load only the first half of your files - if it works then you know the culprit is in the last half of your files. "
Ah, yes... a Binary Search. I should have suggested that. ;-)

~jr

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Ron Whitaker
Re: Another question: to sublip, or NOT to subclip. That is the question.
on Jun 17, 2015 at 8:02:30 pm
Last Edited By Ron Whitaker on Jun 17, 2015 at 8:09:09 pm

OK. I tried your suggestions. I moved a bunch of media files to another folder, opened Vegas, then clicked to open the latest .veg file for this project. Is that what I should be doing, or should I be starting a completely new project?

The good news is that the green slider at the bottom left goes all the way to 100%. The bad news is that it just sits there at 100%. If I mouse over the Vegas icon in the try, the pop-up indicates that it's in "not responding" mode.

Also, to make sure I did this correctly, when I first moved a bunch of the files to a different folder, then opened Vegas, the text box appeared that it couldn't find some of the files. So, I simply suggested that it ignore the files it can't find and keep them offline. Is that correct?


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Andrew Lenczycki
Re: Another question: to sublip, or NOT to subclip. That is the question.
on Jun 17, 2015 at 10:14:33 pm

As an aside, I was having lots of troubles with a Veg file with lots of media. Variety of issues, including files on the timeline becoming "invisible" one time, OK the next. Reading thru the forums, someone was having very random things happening with their files and they turned off GPU Rendering option. I tried this and haven't had a SINGLE problem since then (and have worked on literally 30 + different veg files).

To answer your question, if it were me (and I'm NOT an expert), I would start a new project, and add half of your media to the project. Save, close the file and see if it reopens OK. If so, do the same with the 2nd half of your files, add them to the same new project, save, close the file and see if it reopens. If it has the "hanging" problem, then it must be one of the files in the 2nd half. I would then start a NEW project and add in 1/2 of the files from the previous (that was the problem group). Save, close the file and see if it reopens. If it does, add in the 2nd half of the files from the "bad" half, save, then see if you can reopen the veg file. What you're trying to do is find the "problem" media file (assuming that's the issue) as quickly as possible.

Andrew Lenczycki


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Ron Whitaker
Re: Another question: to sublip, or NOT to subclip. That is the question.
on Jun 17, 2015 at 10:32:50 pm

I'll give that a try.

I wish there was a way to export to a file ONLY the subclip information for a project. That way if a file became corrupt, I could simply create a new project file, then import the subclip data.

Thing is, I don't have anything on the timeline as yet. I've ONLY been going through the media files in the Trimmer window and creating subclips. That's it.


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John Rofrano
Re: Another question: to sublip, or NOT to subclip. That is the question.
on Jun 19, 2015 at 2:12:45 pm

[Ron Whitaker] "Thing is, I don't have anything on the timeline as yet. I've ONLY been going through the media files in the Trimmer window and creating subclips. That's it."
I like Andrew's idea of creating a new project and importing all of the media and saving it and seeing if you can reopen it. If that works, then you know it's not the media.

~jr

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Aleksey Tarasov
Re: Another question: to sublip, or NOT to subclip. That is the question.
on Jun 19, 2015 at 2:41:28 pm

The latest Vegas versions allow you to import media from a project (File > Import > Media from Project).
Give it a try...




Film grain for your digital footage


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Ron Whitaker
Re: Another question: to sublip, or NOT to subclip. That is the question.
on Jun 19, 2015 at 7:26:44 pm

This may be a dumb question, but explain "add half of your media to the project."

Right now I haven't added any media to the project, as far as I know. All I've done is open a media file within the Trimmer window, then create subclips. Then I open another media file within the Trimmer, create subclips, etc.

Is that considered "adding media" to a project?

Maybe what I can do is have two instances of Vegas open, one with an old project open (if I can open one), then the other instance with a new, blank project. Then I can start dragging over subclips from the media bins one or two at a time.

Is that what you mean?


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John Rofrano
Re: Another question: to sublip, or NOT to subclip. That is the question.
on Jun 19, 2015 at 10:50:39 pm

[Ron Whitaker] "Right now I haven't added any media to the project, as far as I know. All I've done is open a media file within the Trimmer window, then create subclips. Then I open another media file within the Trimmer, create subclips, etc."
The media is considered part of the project once you import it into the media pool. So all of the media you imported and created subclass for is considered "in your project". The fact that it's not on the timeline has no bearing on this. Vegas is going to try and find all of the media that's listed in your Project Media tab.
[Ron Whitaker] "Is that considered "adding media" to a project?"
Yes. Any variation of File | Import is importing media into your project and making it available to place on the timeline.
[Ron Whitaker] "Maybe what I can do is have two instances of Vegas open, one with an old project open (if I can open one), then the other instance with a new, blank project. Then I can start dragging over subclips from the media bins one or two at a time."
I'm not sure that you can drag and drop subclass from one project to another but it's worth a try.
[Ron Whitaker] "Is that what you mean?"
No. I meant create a new project, go to File | Import and import all of your footage. Save the project and close Vegas Pro. Open Vegas Pro and the project and see if it has any problem opening with all of the media in the media pool. if this works, then your media is fine and the problem is somewhere else (perhaps your original suspicion of having too many sub-clips).

~jr

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Ron Whitaker
Re: Another question: to sublip, or NOT to subclip. That is the question.
on Jun 20, 2015 at 12:50:48 am

John:

Here's what I did:

1. I opened a new instance of Vegas
2. I did a File > Import > Media From Project.
3. Selected the .veg file
4. Clicked the Import Bins checkbox

Vegas imported all the bins from the .veg file I selected.

5. I saved the file as a new name.
6. I then opened the file

It hung at 81% and never budged.


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John Rofrano
Re: Another question: to sublip, or NOT to subclip. That is the question.
on Jun 20, 2015 at 2:07:11 pm

Ok, now try creating a new project, go to File | Import | Media... and import all of your raw footage. Save the project and close Vegas Pro. Open Vegas Pro and the project and see if it has any problem opening with all of the media in the media pool. if this works, then your media is fine and the problem could be a corrupt media bin structure.

~jr

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http://www.vasst.com



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Ron Whitaker
Re: Another question: to sublip, or NOT to subclip. That is the question.
on Jun 20, 2015 at 3:20:15 pm
Last Edited By Ron Whitaker on Jun 20, 2015 at 3:26:05 pm

Here's what I did:

I opened a new instance of Vegas.

I selected File > Import > Media.

I selected all the media (video) files that I had been referencing while creating the subclips.

They came in fine.

I then saved the project out, then re-opened it.

It opened fine with no problems.


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John Rofrano
Re: Another question: to sublip, or NOT to subclip. That is the question.
on Jun 21, 2015 at 1:29:18 pm

[Ron Whitaker] "It opened fine with no problems."
So it looks like the problem is not corrupt media since the media loads fine. That points to some other corruption in your original project. If the media bins are corrupt it may be what's causing this problem. I would contact Sony and see if they can look at the .veg file for you and maybe spot what's wrong.

~jr

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http://www.vasst.com



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Ron Whitaker
Re: Another question: to sublip, or NOT to subclip. That is the question.
on Jun 21, 2015 at 2:06:31 pm

Thanks for your help, John.

I opened a ticket with Sony last week regarding this. I heard back from a support rep, uploaded my system info as well as some of the .veg files.

I hope they are able to help!


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