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Tawanda Mauchaza
Vegas Feature
on Jun 15, 2015 at 10:55:49 am

Just wondering if anyone here feels the same about a feature that could allow the creation of multiple (tabbed) sequences under one project in Vegas. If this feature already exists and im unaware of it someone please help me out.


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John Rofrano
Re: Vegas Feature
on Jun 15, 2015 at 7:14:25 pm

Sony chose to use Nested Projects instead. I agree that tabbed sequences would have been much better for a number of reasons the largest being the sharing of project media. Every other NLE seems to have this except Vegas Pro. :(

Are you aware that you can nest projects?

~jr

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Tawanda Mauchaza
Re: Vegas Feature
on Jun 16, 2015 at 6:37:42 am

Thanks for pointing the nesting feature out to me, just tried it out and I think it's not well thought out or at least, according to me, it's not as handy as i would have prefered. The whole mission, of having to save multiple .VEG files and then drag them to the project window and then to the timeline, is just a lot of work. I want to be able to just save one project file and then be able to work on multiple sequences or nested projects in that one .VEG. And also If i need to tweak,add or remove something in one of the nested projects it should just be a tab away. This could make Vegas even more sexier I think. And Also the Multicam edit feature should be easier to understand how it works.


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John Rofrano
Re: Vegas Feature
on Jun 16, 2015 at 10:57:26 am

[Tawanda Mauchaza] "The whole mission, of having to save multiple .VEG files and then drag them to the project window and then to the timeline, is just a lot of work. I want to be able to just save one project file and then be able to work on multiple sequences or nested projects in that one .VEG. And also If i need to tweak,add or remove something in one of the nested projects it should just be a tab away."
I agree. The new Catalyst Edit from Sony works this way. It has a tab for each nested sequence. I doubt Vegas Pro will ever see this feature. We'll have to wait until Catalyst Edit grows up and becomes a full fledged NLE.

~jr

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http://www.vasst.com



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Steve Rhoden
Re: Vegas Feature
on Jun 16, 2015 at 1:18:10 pm

Would certainly be a handy feature in Vegas Pro for sure.
Hey, maybe it will soon be a feature in upcoming Vegas releases.

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Aaron Star
Re: Vegas Feature
on Jun 16, 2015 at 4:40:35 pm

The Vegas UI is very old, like 1999 old, they chose a multi-window approach vs tabs. If you make your tabs windows of Vegas, you have pretty much the same thing. Changes to the nested windows are applied immediately in the master window. Save As is your friend vs New Project when you need a template with the same media. Alt-Tab quickly swaps you back and forth between the open instances of Vegas.

If your machine does not instantly swap between open Vegas windows, you need more ram in your system. Sluggish ALT-TAB is a very good indicator of not enough ram for your workflow.

I do think the tab idea would be useful, but after using the old UI for so long you get used to the quirks.


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Bob Peterson
Re: Vegas Feature
on Jun 16, 2015 at 6:43:40 pm

Then again, the need for multiple scenarios is probably quite limited. If it was a widespread need, Vegas would have lost out long ago. The question is whether a complete revision of the software's concept of organization and operation is a good use of resources for a niche need. As for myself, I have never noticed the need to nest projects, and I prefer the KISS approach to software design.


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Aaron Star
Re: Vegas Feature
on Jun 16, 2015 at 7:54:47 pm

+1 to Bob


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John Rofrano
Re: Vegas Feature
on Jun 16, 2015 at 8:18:44 pm

[Bob Peterson] "Then again, the need for multiple scenarios is probably quite limited."
It's not just multiple scenarios. I use nested projects all the time for openings or closings that require multiple tracks. You can do complex compositing that doesn't affect the rest of the project. It's also really handy when motion tracking because you can track a small area and then include it into the main project. I also used nested projects for tutorial DVD's where each chapter is a separate project and then I combine the into a master project that represents the entire program. I don't think I've ever used it for multiple scenarios.

~jr

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Bob Peterson
Re: Vegas Feature
on Jun 16, 2015 at 11:05:12 pm

Although you use it all the time, from my perspective, it is still a niche need. I don't even use an Apple machine because a Windows environment still does EVERYTHING that I want to do.


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John Rofrano
Re: Vegas Feature
on Jun 17, 2015 at 12:40:49 pm

[Bob Peterson] "I don't even use an Apple machine because a Windows environment still does EVERYTHING that I want to do."
What does that have to do with using nested projects? I don't follow.

~jr

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Don Cobble
Re: Vegas Feature
on Jun 21, 2015 at 2:25:11 am

Sir John do you have a sense that Catalyst Edit is going to be the Vegas for MAC users and then eventually PC users, Like Apple did with there Final Cut people???

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John Rofrano
Re: Vegas Feature
on Jun 21, 2015 at 12:24:30 pm

[Don Cobble] "do you have a sense that Catalyst Edit is going to be the Vegas for MAC users and then eventually PC users"
Yes. While Sony is not abandoning their Vegas Pro users, they have said that the Catalyst Suite is the future and they they will be adding more and more modules to it. Vegas Pro is extremely deep and it will take a long time to replace it with equivalent functionality in Catalyst but I do see a time in the future where Catalyst Edit will be strong enough to get Vegas Pro editors to switch.

Sony is being very careful in moving to a new platform. They're not forcing or abandoning anyone in the process. I applaud them for taking this giant step which will allow them to refresh their code base and take better advantage of technology like GPU acceleration from the start, rather than trying to graft it onto an old code base that was not designed for it (which we all see does not work). Adding Mac support positions them to compete with Adobe and Avid who already have a cross-platform solution.

~jr

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Don Cobble
Re: Vegas Feature
on Jun 30, 2015 at 3:07:54 pm

Sir John - Thank You for reply I figured you knew and were happy about your MAC. :-) I trust you are mastering Catalyst and planning some training Videos????? I got the Catalyst suite just to start messing with it. Yikes! its different. Do you know of any online training for it?

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John Rofrano
Re: Vegas Feature
on Jun 30, 2015 at 6:02:01 pm

[Don Cobble] "I trust you are mastering Catalyst and planning some training Videos????? I got the Catalyst suite just to start messing with it. Yikes! its different. Do you know of any online training for it?"
Yes it is very different and no, I don't know of any training although creating some might not be a bad idea. ;-)

The one thing I don't like about the interface is that it's designed to be used on a Windows tablet so on a desktop it has big buttons and icons that are larger than needed for a mouse click. Other than that, it has a nice streamlined look. The nested timelines are a nice feature but right now training would be very brief as it doesn't do much. There is a cut, and a dissolve, and a title. That's it. No Video or Audio FX of any kind. So it shouldn't be that difficult to figure out. lol

~jr

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Don Cobble
Re: Vegas Feature
on Jun 30, 2015 at 11:35:22 pm

Sir John, I watched the youtube Gary Rebholz at the Sony NAB2015.
I think some things have even changed since his introduction my UI did not seem to match his, thus led to a little frustration. Also some codecs I use due to other programs, it does not recognize, Edius AVIs nor Cineform AVIs (unsupported)???? in catalyst prepare? and you can't render out those Intermediaries AVIs??? Are they try to force the XAVC thing? Oh well I guess......

I will patiently wait for VASST lead trainer JR to dig in - create, and then serve his fellow man!
Thank U
Don

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Vegas 13 & Adobe Production Premium CS6 & Avid Media Composer 5.5 -Edius 7.5 Pro -Sony Catalyst Production Suite

Camera
Sony EX1 shoot in 1920x1080 30P


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John Rofrano
Re: Vegas Feature
on Jul 1, 2015 at 1:46:53 am

[Don Cobble] "Are they try to force the XAVC thing?"
Right now Sony is billing the Catalyst series as a set of tools for Sony 4K shooters so it makes sense that they are supporting their camera formats first and that the focus is on XAVC 4K formats. It actually solves the problem that most other NLE's take time to support these new formats so Catalyst Prepare lets you use new Sony formats and convert them to ProRes 422 which is what most professionals and all post houses work with. I'm sure over time they may support other formats but the workflow that many choose to use (least on a Mac) is, "shoot with you new Sony 4K camera, convert to ProRes 422 with Catalyst Prepare, and edit with your favorite NLE. I realize that's not a good workflow for Vegas Pro editors but Windows just doesn't have a good digital intermediary since GoPro bought CineForm and cancelled their products.

I was using Catalyst Prepare to convert XDCAM to ProRes 422 for Final Cut Pro X until FCP X added XDCAM support.

~jr

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Don Cobble
Re: Vegas Feature
on Jul 1, 2015 at 3:16:06 am

Sir John, this is getting discouraging! My 2 Cents

1) Vegas (as we know it) is on its way out, (Like trading in your favorite old car) usually its for the best, but hate to see it go.


Alternative:
Adobe if you want them to be your life long parole officer, and they WILL! put the screws to their cash cows when they get them in to deep take an alternate way out. Then like fuel prices UP UP UP! at adobes wish! Adobe went to the Pharaoh model - Give them food in exchange for their land - delayed gratification, in the end HE owns you! like Google, they give great stuff free! well, not free, actually, in exchange for getting to harvest all your personal information. (the Gold of the future) Go Gmail!
(and I use CS6)[but liberty is still a value and a factor]

Avid - Possibly as long as they do not go the parole officer root. I was told that due to their retail business model the total parole officer root will not be possible? Hope so! Little pricy to get a full working system powerful enough to take advantage of its capabilities and training$$

Edius - Possibly if they get more third party options - also their software is odd/awkward - its growing on me - also little to no support base, unless you go in TV Station deep.

Final Cut X might be good I don't know, but I would keep an eye whether it (X Program) is making the company money, they have already shown they will throw their customers on the railroad tracks to make their train ride smoother. I still have a MAC pro but have not pursued that root any further after climbing off the rails. Kinda leaves a bad taste.

Sony/Catalyst long road ahead - I have hopes for it! To soon to tell. Might get a New MAC if this Catalyst develops quickly.

So I am toying with Avid/Edius/Sony Catalyst - will stay with CS6& Vegas as long as they can do the deal then, I will trade them in for??????

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I7 2.8 Ghz 16GB Ram
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2x 850 EVO Raid 1TB
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PC 2
I7 3930K 3.2Ghz
32 GB Ram
SSD 850 Pro OS drive
2x 850 EVO Raid 1TB
3-4 TB HD
Win 7 Pro 64bit OS
PNY Quadro K2000

Vegas 13 & Adobe Production Premium CS6 & Avid Media Composer 5.5 -Edius 7.5 Pro -Sony Catalyst Production Suite

Camera
Sony EX1 shoot in 1920x1080 30P


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John Rofrano
Re: Vegas Feature
on Jul 1, 2015 at 1:22:32 pm

I think reports of Vegas Pro's demise are greatly exaggerated. I'm sure Sony is not going to abandon it, or it's customers, any time soon. Once Catalyst becomes a viable alternative they may shut it down but until then, I wouldn't really worry and if they do shut it down, I'm sure Catalyst will be the logical choice for existing Vegas Pro customers... at least that would be my strategy if I was VP of Development. lol :-D

~jr

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Don Cobble
Re: Vegas Feature
on Jul 1, 2015 at 5:51:56 pm

Sir John as they say in The Land "from your mouth to Gods ears"
Please learn Catalyst! I will order it!!!
Thank You
Don

PC 1
I7 2.8 Ghz 16GB Ram
SSD 850 Pro OS drive
2x 850 EVO Raid 1TB
Win 7 Pro 64bit OS
GeForce GTX 960

PC 2
I7 3930K 3.2Ghz
32 GB Ram
SSD 850 Pro OS drive
2x 850 EVO Raid 1TB
3-4 TB HD
Win 7 Pro 64bit OS
PNY Quadro K2000

Vegas 13 & Adobe Production Premium CS6 & Avid Media Composer 5.5 -Edius 7.5 Pro -Sony Catalyst Production Suite

Camera
Sony EX1 shoot in 1920x1080 30P


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Steve Rhoden
Re: Vegas Feature
on Jun 17, 2015 at 10:35:09 pm

And where you get the notion that Vegas's UI is 1999 old?
What then should it currently be, or look like?

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Owner of Filmex Creative Media.
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Danny Hays
Re: Vegas Feature
on Jul 1, 2015 at 6:50:11 pm

I believe the first two versions of Vegas were audio only,,, Anybody remember that? I might wrong. ((I thought I was wrong once but I was mistaken.)) LOL



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John Rofrano
Re: Vegas Feature
on Jul 3, 2015 at 12:47:23 pm

[Danny Hays] "I believe the first two versions of Vegas were audio only,,, Anybody remember that?"
Yea, I remember and it was just the first version of Vegas Pro 1.0 that was audio only. After that the "Pro" designation was dropped from the name and there was Vegas Audio 2.0 and Vegas Video 2.0 so you bought either the audio version or the video version. They weren't combined into one version until Vegas 4.0 before Sony bought the software from Sonic Foundry. The "Pro" designation wasn't added back until Vegas Pro 8.0. (OMG I feel the the Vegas historian. LOL)

~jr

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Danny Hays
Re: Vegas Feature
on Jul 4, 2015 at 9:44:42 pm

Sonic Foundry! Wow, I haven't heard that name in a long time.



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