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Rick Wise
No vegas 14?
on May 15, 2015 at 9:13:00 pm

I guess there's no update from 13 to 14 this year. Or did I miss something?

Rick Wise
Cinematographer
MFA/BFA Lighting and Camera Instructor Academy of Art University
San Francisco Bay Area
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Mike Kujbida
Re: No vegas 14?
on May 15, 2015 at 9:16:16 pm

You didn't miss anything. The past few years have seen a new version released at a trade show in Europe in October so we'll have to be patient a wee bit longer :)


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John Rofrano
Re: No vegas 14?
on May 16, 2015 at 5:06:00 pm

[Mike Kujbida] "The past few years have seen a new version released at a trade show in Europe in October so we'll have to be patient a wee bit longer :)"
Yea, IBC2015 is in September this year so maybe the wait won't be that long?

~jr

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Steve Rhoden
Re: No vegas 14?
on May 15, 2015 at 11:55:38 pm

No need to get unsettled, Vegas 14 and onwards will be forthcoming.
I see a lot of nervous souls and the end of Vegas prophesies going wild
over at the sony forum lol, the assumptions are so way off.

Steve Rhoden (Cow Leader)
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Owner of Filmex Creative Media.
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Neal Barlow
Re: No vegas 14?
on May 16, 2015 at 6:55:37 pm

I'm glad to hear that. With Catalyst Edit out, I was getting worried, as I tried it out and was not impressed. Sony offering an upgrade price for Catalyst Edit to Vegas users got me worried.

Neal Barlow
To The Skies Productions
Gh2,Gh3, Canon XA10, Sony Vegas 13, Adobe CC2014 and Stuff, cause that's the real secret ingredient.


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Steve Rhoden
Re: No vegas 14?
on May 16, 2015 at 11:31:27 pm

No need to be worried Neal.
I keep wondering what so many users are worried about (smile).

Steve Rhoden (Cow Leader)
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Aaron Star
Re: No vegas 14?
on May 16, 2015 at 11:43:58 pm

What I think will be interesting to see is if the next versions of Vegas will get the new Catalyst Engine. If not, then Sony will likely carry both Catalyst and Vegas out a few more iterations, until the need for codecs or workflow drive Vegas users to upgrade.

It is possible that Vegas will be the next block in the catalyst chain, since Browse, Prepare, Edit, Vegas would fit the pipeline for feature editing. Just not the all-in-one/one man band methodology we have seen working in the past.

Browse = general viewing of dailies or materials
Prepare = DIT / Color
Edit = Assistant Editor / DIT
Vegas = Editor
"Catalyst ?? Output" = maybe batch output to MPEG-DASH streaming resolutions, and DCP.


It does seem like the Sony Camera division releases in Japan should be in lock step with SCS releases. Vegas/Catalyst should be the given away with every Sony camera much like Blackmagic does with resolve, and their waveform software.

Just some thoughts.


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Steve Rhoden
Re: No vegas 14?
on May 17, 2015 at 1:22:11 am

Yes, you've made some good points Aaron.

"It does seem like the Sony Camera division releases in Japan should be in lock step with SCS releases"
That is actually correct and confirmed by Sony Creative software themselves.

Steve Rhoden (Cow Leader)
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Owner of Filmex Creative Media.
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Stephen Mann
Re: No vegas 14?
on May 17, 2015 at 4:16:49 am

Vegas upgrade announcements have typically alternated between IBC in Europe and NAB in Las Vegas about every 18 months.

Steve Mann
MannMade Digital Video
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Colin Morris
Re: No vegas 14?
on May 20, 2015 at 12:27:17 am

IMHO Sony will start putting most of it's development resources behind the Catalyst product line. At some point they decided to develop a dual platform product that incorporates clip/workflow management, 4K, color correction etc to compete with Avid, Premiere, and Final Cut. They will still support Vegas for a while, but I see a lot of features in the Catalyst products that seem to point towards capturing a piece of the future high end NLE market.

Colin Mendez Morris
ArsMusica
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John Rofrano
Re: No vegas 14?
on May 20, 2015 at 12:56:52 am

[Colin Morris] "They will still support Vegas for a while, but I see a lot of features in the Catalyst products that seem to point towards capturing a piece of the future high end NLE market."
If you ask me, that would be a solid business strategy. I think the fact that adding GPU acceleration has largely failed after 3 versions of trying to fix it, is an indication that it was time to retire the Vegas Pro code base and start again. This is what Adobe did with Premiere Pro. This is what Apple did with Final Cut Pro X. Sometimes you just need to clean the slate and start over fresh taking full advantage of the latest technology by design.

Being primarily a Mac user, I'm really happy to see them embrace the Mac platform. IMHO, this is where they need to be. I'm sure it will take quite a while to build up the deep capabilities that Vegas Pro has gained over the years so I don't see Vegas Pro going away any time soon, but I do believe the new Catalyst Suite is where everything is heading.

~jr

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Rick Wise
Re: No vegas 14?
on May 21, 2015 at 6:55:38 pm

Many thanks for all the replies!

Rick Wise
Cinematographer
MFA/BFA Lighting and Camera Instructor Academy of Art University
San Francisco Bay Area
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Steve Rhoden
Re: No vegas 14?
on May 22, 2015 at 9:18:49 am

No problemo Rick!

Steve Rhoden (Cow Leader)
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Nigel O'Neill
Re: No vegas 14?
on May 23, 2015 at 1:23:52 am

I only hope that Sony does not go down the subscription/ransomware path with SVP14

My system specs: Intel i7 970, 12GB RAM, ASUS P6T, Vegas Pro 12 (x64), Windows 7 x64 Ultimate, Vegas Production Assistant 1.0, VASST Ultimate S Pro 4.1, Neat Video Pro 2.6


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John Rofrano
Re: No vegas 14?
on May 23, 2015 at 12:26:40 pm

[Nigel O'Neill] "I only hope that Sony does not go down the subscription/ransomware path with SVP14"
No one wants to see a subscription service. It makes no sense for the independent/freelance editors that buy Vegas Pro.

~jr

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Steve Rhoden
Re: No vegas 14?
on May 29, 2015 at 4:25:36 pm

That would not work out well for them Nigel.

Steve Rhoden (Cow Leader)
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Owner of Filmex Creative Media.
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Cosmin Gurau
Re: No vegas 14?
on Jun 8, 2015 at 3:38:29 am
Last Edited By Cosmin Gurau on Jun 8, 2015 at 3:41:14 am

I personally am extremely disappointed. Vegas needs an overhaul. Maybe even a fresh start. BUT all the GOOD things must be kept. I've been getting HEAPS of sh*t over the years from everyone I worked with for being "that guy" who edits in Vegas. I have been adamant in my total refusal to join the Premiere club (Windows guy here), for obvious reasons (us Vegas users KNOW why). But because I always do the job (and better than anybody else), I've been left alone. But frustration grew inside me. SCS have done SO LITTLE in trying to actually improve this great piece of software (Did you guys ever try Vegas 2.0 - it was incredible for the time and is still very much 80% of what Vegas is today - great for Sonic Foundry, not that great for SCS) SO many things can be improved. Man, when I heard that SCS is building a new editor, I thought they finally understood. Watch out, Adobe! There's a new Sheriff in town!

Vegas. With a new name. With a modern sleek look (finally!!!). With all the functions we love and use daily, both generic and those for the power users. With all the fixes and changes that anyone who used Vegas and another NLE knew that had to be implemented (eg. the infamously lacking copy just one effect, or a selectable amount, or select multiple regions of clips while holding ctrl with the select tool, etc), ROCK steady performance (oh how we wanted that), actually good GPU acceleration to rival Mercury, its own Quicktime processing engine that puts a twist on chroma subsampling (just like Adobe)... Oh how I dreamed about this. Finally, I said to myself, all those posts on NFS would include Sony in the list of PRO NLEs they always talk about.

And then the Catalyst demo came out.

Gentlemen, Catalyst Edit is possibly the worst joke ever pulled by anyone in recorded history. It's like a lite version of iMovie. I didn't even know that they offer "upgrade" discounts for Vegas users. That's like topping the worst joke ever pulled by anyone in recorded history.


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Geoff Win
Re: No vegas 14?
on Jul 13, 2015 at 5:32:59 pm

@Cosmin - I agree, I was totally underwhelmed by Catalyst. In it's defence however, the interface was a move in the right direction.


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Harry Maathuis
Re: No vegas 14?
on Sep 15, 2015 at 10:17:50 am

Sad message! I was at IBC 2015 and spoke there with Gary Rebholz about the future of Vegas Pro. VP will be maintained he said, but there will be no version 14.

Harry Maathuis


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Arturas Bojarunas
Re: No vegas 14?
on Sep 15, 2015 at 11:17:11 am

[Harry Maathuis] "Sad message! I was at IBC 2015 and spoke there with Gary Rebholz about the future of Vegas Pro. VP will be maintained he said, but there will be no version 14.

Harry Maathuis"


Thanks for info.

Arturas Bojarunas
PenkiTV(IPTV)
Vilnius, Lithuania


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Mike Kujbida
Re: No vegas 14?
on Sep 15, 2015 at 12:48:25 pm

[Harry Maathuis] "Sad message! I was at IBC 2015 and spoke there with Gary Rebholz about the future of Vegas Pro. VP will be maintained he said, but there will be no version 14."

I wonder if he meant not this year or did he mean never.


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Harry Maathuis
Re: No vegas 14?
on Sep 15, 2015 at 1:31:41 pm

Yes, no new versions anymore. The technical concept is outdated, he said.

Harry Maathuis


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Mike Kujbida
Re: No vegas 14?
on Sep 15, 2015 at 1:42:59 pm
Last Edited By Mike Kujbida on Sep 15, 2015 at 1:43:54 pm

[Harry Maathuis] "Yes, no new versions anymore. The technical concept is outdated, he said.

It was fun and a good run while it lasted. Fortunately for me I retire in less than 2 years so the existing version will do me just fine until then.


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Angelo Mike
Re: No vegas 14?
on Sep 15, 2015 at 1:33:41 pm

[Harry Maathuis] "Sad message! I was at IBC 2015 and spoke there with Gary Rebholz about the future of Vegas Pro. VP will be maintained he said, but there will be no version 14."

Wow. Never? That would be sad, indeed, and would mean that either I'd eventually switch to Premiere or Final Cut, or maybe they're making Catalyst their new editing software they support.

But I am curious if he really meant never or just that it's not coming this year. It's too easy for something to get exaggerated down the grape vine.

I've been working on a project with a friend who uses Final Cut X, and it's been interesting trying to ask him for certain edits to the sound that involve plugins that I use in seconds with Vegas. Apparently, FCPX doesn't have a Wave Hammer plugin, or at least he wasn't aware of one.

I would hate to switch to ransomware like Premiere just to edit on future computers or cameras I work with. But I'd like to hear something more conclusive about the future of Vegas.


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Matt Smitherz
Re: No vegas 14?
on Sep 15, 2015 at 4:11:30 pm
Last Edited By Matt Smitherz on Sep 15, 2015 at 4:18:30 pm

Well, not surprised at all...

do you remember this thread?

https://forums.creativecow.net/thread/24/987855#987881

I wrote
"NOW (maybe) Edit has nothing to do with Vegas.

But all these "tools"in the catalyst suite are multiplatform.

Thus, if the final full Sony workflow will include vegas (which as of now is windows only), we should see vegas 14 for mac.
..."

Which, as someone wrote in another thread, was an impossible task (to re-write for both mac&win)


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Angelo Mike
Re: No vegas 14?
on Sep 15, 2015 at 7:55:48 pm

Yeah. I still want to see confirmation one way or the other what Vegas wants to do, but if they don't release a Vegas 14, maybe DaVinci Resolve would be a good alternative since there's a free version, and I'm reading that it's getting and has gotten a lot of more convenient editing features.


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Kevin McCarthy
Re: No vegas 14?
on Sep 16, 2015 at 12:23:01 am

Just remember, Sony bought out Fast Electronics Video Machine and put it on a shelf. Oh yeah, their Espree system looked similar to Video Machine, but less capabilities and a higher price.

The key is higher price! I hope they don't go down that road again and if they go to a subscription service they will have pissed off the wrong Irishman!



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Leigh Herman
Re: No vegas 14?
on Oct 1, 2015 at 4:47:03 pm

Just remember, Sony bought out Fast Electronics Video Machine and put it on a shelf. Oh yeah, their Espree system looked similar to Video Machine, but less capabilities and a higher price.

That's not correct. FAST Electronics was purchased by Pinnacle, which was later acquired by Avid. Sony worked with FAST on the EditStation ES-3, which was a hardware/software NLE based on the FAST 601 UI. The ES-3 offered a DV and uncompressed SD workflow; the 601 offered MPEG2 50 Mbps and uncompressed. The Video Machine was an earlier NLE from FAST, pre-dating the ES-3 and the 601. The XPRI system (not Espree) had nothing to do with FAST Electronics, but some have commented that a few of the visuals/icons in the UI looked similar.


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Jay Allen
Re: No vegas 14?
on May 13, 2016 at 4:40:27 pm

Boy do i remember when Sony tried Xpri....it sure looks like Catalyst will do the same.....just vanish away.
They dont learn from the past!



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John Rofrano
Re: No vegas 14?
on Sep 16, 2015 at 1:13:47 pm
Last Edited By John Rofrano on Sep 16, 2015 at 1:16:38 pm

[Angelo Mike] "I've been working on a project with a friend who uses Final Cut X, and it's been interesting trying to ask him for certain edits to the sound that involve plugins that I use in seconds with Vegas. Apparently, FCPX doesn't have a Wave Hammer plugin, or at least he wasn't aware of one."
It certainly does. It's called a "Compressor". The name "wave hammer" is just wacky! No one in the audio or video industry would know what you are talking about. Wave Hammer a Volume Maximize and a Compressor built into one. Final Cut Pro X's Compressor has a Gain stage (like volume maximizer) and a Limiter Threshold which is a hard limiter.

This is what it looks like in FCP X:



You can see that with this particular setting it's set to hard limit at -10 dB and start compressing at -20 dB. The Gain stage is what Wave Hammer's calls a "Volume Maximizer".

~jr

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Angelo Mike
Re: No vegas 14?
on Sep 16, 2015 at 1:34:36 pm

Thanks for the info, John. I've been regularly amazed lately at how better communication or a little more knowledge on my part about equipment I don't use would have been useful lately (this same project's shoot was delayed for a few days because the camera operator couldn't get the sound running on a Panasonic HPX170, but in reality that's my responsibility as director to know how to do).

Though I think it came out better for the delay, anyways.

And if you're curious, the project comes out tonight at 5 PM EST. It's Angelo's Mom: The Movie!



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John Freeborg
Re: No vegas 14?
on Sep 16, 2015 at 9:08:42 pm

Sony Creative Software remains committed to Vegas Pro, our strong craft video editor, and continues to support the product. For Vegas Pro 13, we’ve released 4 updates so far, the most recent in June (build 453) which addressed some key camera support issues and is compatible with Windows 10.

As a policy, Sony Creative Software does not comment on future product plans, however we are actively assessing market and customer needs for future major and maintenance versions of Vegas Pro. If you have specific needs, we’d love to hear your detailed product suggestions:

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/support/suggestions

- John (@ the Sony Creative Software Team)


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Carl Grout
Re: No vegas 14?
on Oct 13, 2015 at 3:02:35 pm

With all due respect... that sounds like Sony is "RE-assessing" the need for a major upgrade (Vegas 14), through user input, as well as market demand. That would imply there's no flat "No" to Vegas 14, but it also it also implies Sony is certainly thinking about it.


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Jay Allen
Re: No vegas 14?
on Nov 4, 2015 at 1:57:47 pm

Sony does come up with great products, but their greed gets in the way as it did with sacd, bluray etc. Both great products but the public didn't like the costs and moved on. Now we have catalyst product line that is moving too slow to be full featured and Vegas that is not moving forward very much at all. People wont wait for sony to figure this all out and will move on. I make a living with Vegas and would hate to see it go away and catalyst is not up to the task as of yet, so the more time that Sony takes to figure this out could mean the end of BOTH product lines.



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John Murrill
Re: No vegas 14?
on Jan 9, 2016 at 7:13:47 am

Vegas Pro is part of my life as a youtuber. And for that much I'm in love with this video editing software. My only request is that Vegas Pro 14 supports CUDA for higher end GPU above the GTX 500 series. Right now thats the only biggest issue most Nvidia users are having to this day, so we are stuck using CPU power to render long footage.
The software is growing on its own terms, but its years behind on CUDA support


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Damien Fernandez
Re: No vegas 14?
on Apr 8, 2016 at 3:32:05 pm

... Coming Soon ;-)



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Matt Smitherz
Re: No vegas 14?
on Apr 8, 2016 at 7:38:25 pm

from the sony creative forum...

"...Having said that, one Facebook group poster decided to contact Sony directly and here's their reply to him.

I questioned to Sony Creative Software support about some online stores selling Vegas Pro 14 Suite, if this was true or lie. The answer was:
- Kim N.: We do not have a Vegas Pro 14 available at this time so those are most likely inaccurate listings.

Then I asked if there will be a Vegas Pro 14 or not:
- Kim N.: There is a version 14 being worked on, but there have been some unanticipated delays so it's not available at the moment. We don't know when it will be released but it is being worked on.
......."


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Damien Fernandez
Re: No vegas 14?
on Apr 11, 2016 at 9:42:24 am

"- Kim N.: There is a version 14 being worked on"

This is a major announcement !


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John Rofrano
Re: No vegas 14?
on Apr 11, 2016 at 12:31:11 pm

[Damien Fernandez] "This is a major announcement !"
Yes, it is!!! :-D

~jr

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http://www.vasstsoftware.com



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Ron Whitaker
Re: No vegas 14?
on May 14, 2016 at 10:40:21 pm

I hope they do something like buying a fixer-upper: totally gut the thing and start from scratch.

IF done right, they could create a major contender.


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Angelo Mike
Re: No vegas 14?
on May 15, 2016 at 8:28:44 pm

Incredible! I wasn't counting on a Vegas 14 coming at all.


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Angelo Mike
Re: No vegas 14?
on May 15, 2016 at 8:29:32 pm

And let's spread the word so Sony knows there's a lot of people who will buy it!


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Scott Francis
Re: No vegas 14?
on May 17, 2016 at 4:52:40 pm

....Unless they go subscription like Catalyst, than I will plan another way to edit.

Xavier (Scott) Francis
Mind's Eye Audio/Video Productions


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Ron Whitaker
Re: No vegas 14?
on May 21, 2016 at 6:00:07 pm

I don't know if anyone else knows of this page, but if you want to provide suggestions for SVP, including suggestions for version 14 (hopefully there's gonna be one!), you can go here:

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/support/suggestions


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Angelo Mike
Re: No vegas 14?
on May 25, 2016 at 10:55:30 pm

[Ron Whitaker] "I don't know if anyone else knows of this page, but if you want to provide suggestions for SVP, including suggestions for version 14 (hopefully there's gonna be one!), you can go here:

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/support/suggestions"


Done. I asked for a better chroma keyer, titling plugins, more advanced color curve and color grading options, GPU acceleration, and to please refrain from adopting a subscription model.


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