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lucas pelus
Sony vegas render setteing for vimeo with multi format videos / gopro
on Apr 22, 2015 at 9:33:07 pm

Hello,

I'm reading a lot about the render settings.
I'm using vegas pro 12.
I'm uploading extrem sports edits. It's short edit (max 5 min) so I do not have problems with the size of the file.

3 questions :
1-How optimize my render still staying in the vimeo parameters ?
2-what should be the project properties if I have videos from go pro and from anothers camera ?
If I have videos in 1080p60 and 1080p30 et 720p120 for example.
3- Vimeo accept 10 000 Mbs rate. Wo is there any interest using the variable bit rate ?

I do not have a pro account on vimeo so I have to upload a 720p30 file with max bitrate 10 000 Mbps

Here a video I uploaded recently
https://vimeo.com/117001469

Here my settings


And my render


I'm filming in 1080p60.

Thanks a lot if you can help me.


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John Rofrano
Re: Sony vegas render setteing for vimeo with multi format videos / gopro
on Apr 26, 2015 at 12:25:55 pm

[lucas pelus] "1-How optimize my render still staying in the vimeo parameters ?"
Check the "Two-pass" option. This will take longer to render but will produce better video in scenes with a lot of action.
[lucas pelus] "2-what should be the project properties if I have videos from go pro and from anothers camera ?"
In that case I like to set my project properties to match my delivery format. This way there are no surprises about how the delivered video will look. An alternate strategy is to have the project match the properties of the footage that you have the most of to make playback smooth.
[lucas pelus] "3- Vimeo accept 10 000 Mbs rate. Wo is there any interest using the variable bit rate ?"
Yes, variable bit rate allows scenes that need more bits to use them while lowering the bit rate of scenes that don't need them to match your average. If you used a constant bit ate, scenes that need more bits will just look bad while scenes that don't need all the bits will be wasting them with no increase in quality.

~jr

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http://www.vasst.com



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lucas pelus
Re: Sony vegas render setteing for vimeo with multi format videos / gopro
on Apr 26, 2015 at 1:40:19 pm

Hello John,
I really thank you taking your time to answer me.
What you say about project properties seem to be coherent ! thks again.


Last question about CBR and VBR
If my video is small (around 280 mo) and I wanna upload it on vimeo (500 mo max). You think I should send a VBR 5-10 Mbps or a CBR 10 Mbs ?

Is a CBR at 10 Mbs better than a VBR 5-10 Mbps ?

Hard to find a difference on my video but maybe you already try it and find a difference ?

I have to send a video for a kitesurf brand, this is the last edit (rush in 1080p60, render in 720p30 VBR 10-20Mbs) do you have any remarks ?
https://vimeo.com/124006560
Password is test

I just noticed that we can send video in 1080p30 to vimeo ?!

thank you again for your next answer


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John Rofrano
Re: Sony vegas render setteing for vimeo with multi format videos / gopro
on Apr 26, 2015 at 5:37:28 pm

[lucas pelus] "Is a CBR at 10 Mbs better than a VBR 5-10 Mbps ?"
If by "VBR 5 - 10 Mbps" you mean "5 average, 10 max" then yes... always using 10 Mbps can potentially look better than averaging 5 Mbps with peaks at 10.
[lucas pelus] "Hard to find a difference on my video but maybe you already try it and find a difference ?"
I think you're getting it now. At some point, adding more bits doesn't make a difference. That point is very dependent on your content. Content with slow or no motion and use much lower bit rates than content with a lot of movement, and still look good. Use whatever bitrate that gives you the quality you want. Anything more is a waste of bandwidth and storage.
[lucas pelus] " have to send a video for a kitesurf brand, this is the last edit (rush in 1080p60, render in 720p30 VBR 10-20Mbs) do you have any remarks?"
That's some tough video to encode because it's in constant motion and I watched it full screen and it held up well. If you are not using 2-Pass you might want to try it because it was a bit pixelated in some of the extreme shots but overall it looked good. Water is one of the hardest things to encode because it is constantly changing. I'm not a big fan of shaky close-up video so I would have used stabilization on some of the opening shots coming in but overall it was very high energy throughout. It was an excellent example of using higher frame rates to achieve smooth slow motion.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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lucas pelus
Re: Sony vegas render setteing for vimeo with multi format videos / gopro
on Apr 26, 2015 at 6:27:16 pm

By a VBR 5-10, yes I would say average 5Mbps and max 10 Mbps.

On this edit I used a VBR 10-20 Mbs with rendering on 720p30 but I had a lot of different rush (720p120, 1080p30 and 1080p60).
The rendering of my computer is better.

I do not understand why the vimeo video is worse than this one on my computer. I render with the vimeo senting 720p30 10Mbps.

- When you said "two pass", that's mean VBR ?

- I do not understand "shaky close-up video" sorry I'm french and it's hard to get everything ;)

- what do you mean by stabilization ? it's a program of sony vegas ? or when you are filming ?

Thanks again !


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John Rofrano
Re: Sony vegas render setteing for vimeo with multi format videos / gopro
on May 10, 2015 at 2:34:13 pm

[lucas pelus] "- When you said "two pass", that's mean VBR ?"
Yes, 2-Pass is only available for VBR. What it does it make a first pass through the video and calculates how many bits each frame needs, then it uses the average as a guide and allocates bits to each frame for the most optimal solution. Then it encodes the video in the second pass using the bit rates that it calculated from the first pass. This procedure takes twice as long as a regular render but the improvement in quality might be worth the wait.
[lucas pelus] "- I do not understand "shaky close-up video" sorry I'm french and it's hard to get everything ;)"
There was a lot of camera movement when following the people in the video. If you like having all that movement that's OK. If you want to remove some of the camera shake you can use stabilization.
[lucas pelus] "- what do you mean by stabilization ? it's a program of sony vegas ? or when you are filming ?"
This can be done in Vegas Pro. There is a Sony Stabalize filter that can be applied in the media bin as a Media FX. It will smooth out the camera movement.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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lucas pelus
Re: Sony vegas render setteing for vimeo with multi format videos / gopro
on May 11, 2015 at 12:10:18 pm

Thks !

I'll try the stabilization tonight.
By the way I forgot to choose the smart sample so I have to re work on the project to avoid the blurred effect..

Thks a lot !


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John Rofrano
Re: Sony vegas render setteing for vimeo with multi format videos / gopro
on May 11, 2015 at 6:15:41 pm

You're welcome. Let us know how you make out.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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lucas pelus
Re: Sony vegas render setteing for vimeo with multi format videos / gopro
on May 27, 2015 at 2:39:26 pm

HEy,

Indeed the smart samplign has to be disabled.
The movie is sharper ?
There is no ghost images.

But I have to decrease the slowmotions.
The ghost effet with the smart rending allow me to do bigger slowmotion.
The solutions is to disable at the begining the smart rendering in order to choose the right setting for the slowmotion.

I havn't try yet the stabilization..


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John Rofrano
Re: Sony vegas render setteing for vimeo with multi format videos / gopro
on May 27, 2015 at 3:26:34 pm

Yes, without resampling the frames you can't sow it down as much. As you have seen, it becomes jerky because new intermediate frames are not being created. It's a trade-off.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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lucas pelus
Re: Sony vegas render setteing for vimeo with multi format videos / gopro
on May 28, 2015 at 2:40:51 pm

Here is the final edit :


i think it's better than before.
I try a bit the stabilization, it's a good apllication but sometimes the zoom is too big but working very well.
I use it only for 2 videos. I will try to understand more how it works


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John Rofrano
Re: Sony vegas render setteing for vimeo with multi format videos / gopro
on May 28, 2015 at 8:50:31 pm

Wow, the stabilization help a lot. That opening is much more watchable. You tightened it up quite a bit. The whole movie was well paced and the subject matter makes you want to go out and book a trip to the Caribbean! lol

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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