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jonathan lyle
still photos out of focus on timeline
on Apr 12, 2015 at 12:14:15 pm

I import stills and they are perfectly clear until i put them on the time line.
Thankyou


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Mike Kujbida
Re: still photos out of focus on timeline
on Apr 12, 2015 at 4:04:24 pm

What version of Vegas are you using? How large are your stills? What is your Preview window set to?


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jonathan lyle
Re: still photos out of focus on timeline
on Apr 13, 2015 at 9:00:04 pm

Hi Mike, thanks for responding.
I am using VP 9. I scanned slides at 350 DPI, resulting in 25 kb jpegs on average. I have tried various settings in the preview window with no success.
Thankyou


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Mike Kujbida
Re: still photos out of focus on timeline
on Apr 13, 2015 at 11:07:51 pm

Jonathon, something is wrong with your scanning setup somewhere. I regularly scan my images at 150 to 300 dpi and the result is images around 1 MB. in size and up, not 25 kb.
If that's all they really are, that would explain why they look so bad.


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Greg Barringer
Re: still photos out of focus on timeline
on Apr 13, 2015 at 11:24:09 pm

Open the scanned slide in a different software and you'll see they are too small.


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jonathan lyle
Re: still photos out of focus on timeline
on Apr 13, 2015 at 11:44:21 pm

yea..your right!
I have to rescan at about 1600 dpi.
thankyou


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Greg Barringer
Re: still photos out of focus on timeline
on Apr 14, 2015 at 12:18:15 am

Assuming you're going to crop them to 1920 x 1080, your scanned image should be at least 1920 pixels x 1080 pixels or about 2 mega pixels. The file size will depend on jpg compression, but I would guess at least 1 mb.


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jonathan lyle
Re: still photos out of focus on timeline
on Apr 14, 2015 at 12:03:06 pm

Thankyou for all your responses.
scanned 35mm slides:
1200dpi-1044pix x 1528 pix
1600dpi - 1392pix x 2037 pix.

Even these large files, when placed on the timeline, appear out of focus.

Any ideas?


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Mike Kujbida
Re: still photos out of focus on timeline
on Apr 14, 2015 at 12:48:05 am

1600 dpi is crazy!! How large are the pictures you're scanning?


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Greg Barringer
Re: still photos out of focus on timeline
on Apr 14, 2015 at 1:13:17 am

He said they are slides. I'm guessing 35mm
I'd scan one and check the resolution in pixels to find the right setting


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jonathan lyle
Re: still photos out of focus on timeline
on Apr 14, 2015 at 12:09:18 pm

Thankyou all...
35mm slides scanned at:
1200 dpi = 204kb 1044pix x 1528pix
1600dpi = 1392pix x 2037pix

Eventhese files, when placed on the timeline, appear out of focus.
Any ideas?


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Mike Kujbida
Re: still photos out of focus on timeline
on Apr 14, 2015 at 12:35:25 pm

If yo don't have a lot of slides to scan, my recommendation is to find a professional photo place that has a real slide scanner. They typically scan at around 2400 dpi or higher and have various correction tools (dust removal, exposure correction, etc.) built into them. I just looked online and found places doing it as cheap as 25 cents per slide (3500 x 2900 jpeg image).


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jonathan lyle
Re: still photos out of focus on timeline
on Apr 14, 2015 at 7:35:23 pm

Thanks I think I will do it the old fashioned way...Slide projector on screen, shot by my DSLR.
Even so, why the blurry images on the timeline???


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Greg Barringer
Re: still photos out of focus on timeline
on Apr 15, 2015 at 12:43:27 am
Last Edited By Greg Barringer on Apr 15, 2015 at 12:44:07 am

Can you email me one or two of the scanned photos at 1600dpi?
I'm a professional photographer, I'll take a look.
barringer4@comcast.net


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jonathan lyle
Re: still photos out of focus on timeline
on Apr 15, 2015 at 1:01:59 am

here you are...slide scanned at 1600dpi..thanks




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Greg Barringer
Re: still photos out of focus on timeline
on Apr 15, 2015 at 1:55:09 am

The photo looks the same in Vegas as they do in your download. Typical quality for a scanned slide. Are you sure it's not just your Preview Quality in Vegas? Maybe try rendering a short timeline and see how it looks.

The scans could use a little work in Photoshop. Tools like the Healing Brush can remove a lot of the dust. Some clean air from a can before you scan may also help.


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jonathan lyle
Re: still photos out of focus on timeline
on Apr 15, 2015 at 7:39:23 pm

Hi Greg, thanks for the suggestions. I am not too concerned with imperfections.This is s long standing family project, over 1,400 slides.
I already tried rendering a few slides on the timeline to no avail. Oh well, I may try another program or the projector route. cheers!


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Greg Barringer
Re: still photos out of focus on timeline
on Apr 15, 2015 at 8:57:16 pm

I can help. I've done plenty of these. What settings are you using?
Here's one that's all slides in the first half.


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jonathan lyle
Re: still photos out of focus on timeline
on Apr 17, 2015 at 11:17:56 pm

Hi Mike, to begin,thankyou for your efforts...
I also tried proven stills I have shot with dslr.
Once again they are fine bringing into Vegas 9.... until I put them on the timeline.
I have tried various preview settings, to no avail!!
I am convinced it is a flaw in Vegas.
Thankyou, Jon


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Wayne Waag
Re: still photos out of focus on timeline
on Apr 18, 2015 at 12:50:17 am

"I am convinced it is a flaw in Vegas."

I still have a copy of Vegas 9 on my system and it works fine. One thing that you have not provided is your Project settings. For example, if you want to make a DVD and your project settings are simply NTSC DV (720x480), a high-res photo WILL appear blurry on the timeline, especially if you have a large preview display area--E.g. on a 2nd monitor. Change that to an HD project (e.g. HD-1080 60i). Once you apply these project settings, the timeline will become much sharper. In any case, it really doesn't matter how it appears on the timeline--it only matters how it looks on the final rendered output.

wwaag


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Greg Barringer
Re: still photos out of focus on timeline
on Apr 18, 2015 at 1:01:36 am

Not a flaw. I've been making high quality video with stills since 2003 using Vegas. As Wayne said, look at your project settings.


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Greg Barringer
Re: still photos out of focus on timeline
on Apr 18, 2015 at 1:58:10 am
Last Edited By Greg Barringer on Apr 18, 2015 at 2:28:29 am

Watch this video of DSLR images, even at internet quality the photos are sharp. On Blu Ray, they equal print quality.



Try these Project Properties:
Template HD 1080-60i (1920x1080), 29.970fps
Full resolution rendering quality: = Best

Then render, let us know how your going to display it. Internet, DVD, BD, etc. and we can help with rendering

For the video above I used:
Main concept AVC/AAC (*mp4,*avc)
Internet HD 1080p
Customize Template
Variable bit rate
Check Two-pass
Maximum 24,000,000
Average 20,000,000
Encode mode: Render using CPU only


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jonathan lyle
Re: still photos out of focus on timeline
on Apr 18, 2015 at 11:47:40 am

Thanks for the tips.
I will try putting out to DVD at 1080.
I will let you know.I may have to rescan the slides ata higher resolution. 2200 dpi?


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Greg Barringer
Re: still photos out of focus on timeline
on Apr 18, 2015 at 1:03:14 pm

I think 1600 is high enough if you don't crop them.


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Greg Barringer
Re: still photos out of focus on timeline
on Apr 18, 2015 at 1:25:24 pm

It's been a few years since a burned a DVD, I use Blu Ray. Maybe someone here can give a set of rendering settings for high quality DVD.


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Wayne Waag
Re: still photos out of focus on timeline
on Apr 18, 2015 at 3:32:17 pm

DVD does not support 1080. Regardless, my suggestion is to first do your project in 1080. The project settings suggested by Brian are fine, although my preference is to set the frame rate at 60P rather than 60i. Rather than burning to a disc, consider using a media player to deliver your production. Many newer TV's already have that capability built-in. If you need to or want to make a DVD simply using the appropriate render template within Vegas. Be aware that the quality of your production will take a big hit. I wouldn't recommend this option.

By the way, what slide scanner are you using? My suggestion here is to scan at max resolution. Hopefully, your scanner has some way of automatic dust and scratch removal. Since this is probably a family archive, do it in the best way possible. I re-scanned my family collection (12000+) some years ago using a Nikon LS-5000 at 4000 dpi. It's a very tedious and time-consuming process. With 1400 slides, having it done at $.25 per slide may be a bargain. Good luck.

wwaag


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