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Seth Kopchu
Stabilizing in Sony Vegas Pro 13?
on Apr 4, 2015 at 4:26:58 pm

So I've never had to use stabilization before, and so I need to know some basics.

Any general settings that you guys prefer? My big issue is that, whenever I use the plug-in, the resulting image is always zoomed in on the video and it's not at all the desired effect I want. Is there any way around this, or is this how Sony thinks you want your videos to look once they've been stabilized? Either that, or I'm doing something wrong (most likely this).


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John Rofrano
Re: Stabilizing in Sony Vegas Pro 13?
on Apr 4, 2015 at 5:15:02 pm

[Seth Kopchu] "Any general settings that you guys prefer? My big issue is that, whenever I use the plug-in, the resulting image is always zoomed in on the video and it's not at all the desired effect I want. Is there any way around this, or is this how Sony thinks you want your videos to look once they've been stabilized? Either that, or I'm doing something wrong (most likely this)."
So let's understand what stabilization does. It moves the video frame which is edge-to-edge in a way that keeps an object relatively in the same spot on the screen as the camera was actually moving. Moving the video frame 1 pixel in any direction to compensate for the shake is going to cause a line of black pixels in the other direction because there is no video behind the frame to show. Moving the frame 100's of pixels in several directions to counteract the shaking is going to cause large black bars on all sides of the frame. The only way to eliminate these bars is to zoom in to hide the black bars. So zooming is not how Sony thinks it should be. Zooming in is required to hide the black bars caused by moving the frame to keep it stable.

If you don't like how much it zooms in, you can purchase the full Mercalli plug-in which gives you a lot more control. Then you will see that as you lower the zoom, it increases the motion because you can't have both... it's a trade-off.

Here is a video I made of Mercalli V2 so you can see how the full updated version works.






Vegas only contains a subset of Mercalli V1 functionality so you will get a lot more control with the full version.

~jr

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Steve Rhoden
Re: Stabilizing in Sony Vegas Pro 13?
on Apr 4, 2015 at 9:05:52 pm

Zooming in gonna come with any form of stabilization method you try.
Prodad Mercalli plugin is the best you gonna get plugin-wise, or for
even better result, is the stand-alone of their new version.

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Norman Black
Re: Stabilizing in Sony Vegas Pro 13?
on Apr 5, 2015 at 3:12:11 am

You cannot get rid of the zooming but you can minimize it. Here is a post I once did when I found some quirks with the built-in Vegas satabilier.

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=4&Messag...


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Steve Rhoden
Re: Stabilizing in Sony Vegas Pro 13?
on Apr 5, 2015 at 4:58:57 pm

Yeah, but when it's minimized the image is less stabilized!
The built in stabler has quirks and limitations, will always have.
Best options are the direct Mercalli plugin or the stand-Alone version.

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John Rofrano
Re: Stabilizing in Sony Vegas Pro 13?
on Apr 6, 2015 at 11:41:27 am

[Steve Rhoden] "Yeah, but when it's minimized the image is less stabilized!"
That's why I said it's a trade-off. You need to decide if a little shake is worth less zoom. The best solution is, "buy a tripod!" ;-)

~jr

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Steve Rhoden
Re: Stabilizing in Sony Vegas Pro 13?
on Apr 6, 2015 at 2:22:53 pm

Or buy a Body Rig Steadicam stabilizer, lol

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John Rofrano
Re: Stabilizing in Sony Vegas Pro 13?
on Apr 6, 2015 at 9:48:25 pm

[Steve Rhoden] "Or buy a Body Rig Steadicam stabilizer, lol"
Or improvise... I was once asked to shoot a dance competition that I was only planning to record my daughter's dances for myself so I only had a hand held camera and nothing else. I found the closest column in the room and rested my shoulder on it and used it to steady my arms. I got some pretty good shots (if I do say so myself) and once or twice when my hand cramped and the camera moved, I steady it out with CoreMelt Lock & Load X (sorry it's for FCP X not Vegas Pro). So stabilizers do have their place when there is no tripod available.

~jr

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Steve Rhoden
Re: Stabilizing in Sony Vegas Pro 13?
on Apr 7, 2015 at 12:47:14 am

I've always liked how those CoreMelt product line looked, but
unfortunately cant get the chance to try them out being all
Windows based :-(

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John Rofrano
Re: Stabilizing in Sony Vegas Pro 13?
on Apr 7, 2015 at 11:42:50 am

[Steve Rhoden] "...but unfortunately cant get the chance to try them out being all Windows based :-("
I have to admit that one of the best things about switching to Mac is the overwhelming amount of plug-ins for FCP X and Motion. All of the plug-ins that I use to see and say, "Oh that's for the Mac" I can now use. Since I also still have Windows 7 and Vegas Pro with Bootcamp, I have the best of both worlds. ;-)

~jr

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http://www.vasst.com



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Steve Rhoden
Re: Stabilizing in Sony Vegas Pro 13?
on Apr 7, 2015 at 1:10:06 pm

Boy, Lucky you, lol...

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Seth Kopchu
Re: Stabilizing in Sony Vegas Pro 13?
on Apr 7, 2015 at 5:00:28 pm

So I downloaded the stand-alone version of Mercalli 3.0, and while the demo only lets you stabilize the first 10 seconds of a clip, all my clips were under 10, so it worked out perfectly. Thanks.


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Steve Rhoden
Re: Stabilizing in Sony Vegas Pro 13?
on Apr 8, 2015 at 1:50:45 pm

Ok, that's good...

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David Shirey
Re: Stabilizing in Sony Vegas Pro 13?
on Apr 9, 2015 at 5:09:17 am

[Steve Rhoden] "The built in stabler has quirks and limitations, will always have."

I feel like this is the reason for so many plugins. At what point do we get to start demanding that if Sony wants us to keep paying to upgrade Vegas, they need to improve its functionality and maybe negate our need for some of these external editors? I know Adobe has the money to simply buy up companies who make better plugins than some of their built-in options, then incorporate their technology into their package. If Sony doesn't have the resources yet I'd like to give them permission to pilfer some of the money I've given their Playstation division for the past 20 years to upgrade Vegas for version 14 :)



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John Rofrano
Re: Stabilizing in Sony Vegas Pro 13?
on Apr 10, 2015 at 1:16:59 pm

[David Shirey] "At what point do we get to start demanding that if Sony wants us to keep paying to upgrade Vegas, they need to improve its functionality and maybe negate our need for some of these external editors?"
Every NLE has an ecosystem of plug-ins. Before Sony moved their architecture to OFX customers complained that there weren't enough plug-ins. Now that they've switched to OXF and lots of 3rd parties are creating plug-ins you are complaining that there are too many plug-ins?

Sony has done a great job of working with business partners and licensing software to get the functionality they need. Mercalli is the best stabilizer for Vegas Pro so Sony includes a minimal version for customers to use for free. If you need more capability, you buy the full version from ProDAD. That's how 3rd party plug-in makers make their living. If the NLE provided everything, 3rd party plug-in makers would go out of business and you would be at the mercy of one company (Sony) to fulfill all your needs. That would not be a good place to be. Vegas Pro would soon resemble the bloated Microsoft Word where no one uses more than 10% of the functionality but everybody pays for everything (both in price and memory hogging footprint) whether they need it or not.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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