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Norman Willis
Best Tool To Bring DVCProHD into Vegas
on Jan 6, 2015 at 6:36:32 pm

The Creative Cow Vegas community has been a blessing for many years now. Thank you all for your help over many years!

I captured some DVCProHD with a Kona LHi. I was very surprised to find that I could not bring it onto the Vegas timeline!

What is the best tool for transcoding DVCProHD into something I can bring into Vegas? Is it Cineform? Or some other tool?

Thank you.

Norman Willis
http://www.nazareneisrael.org


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Mike Kujbida
Re: Best Tool To Bring DVCProHD into Vegas
on Jan 6, 2015 at 7:52:46 pm

Norman, I'm lucky in that my employer has a site license for the Adobe Creative Cloud suite of tools.
I bring the DVCProHD file into Premiere and render it out as a QuickTime file which Vegas can then read.
You can also load it into Adobe Media Encoder and do the same thing.


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Norman Willis
Re: Best Tool To Bring DVCProHD into Vegas
on Jan 6, 2015 at 11:33:16 pm

>> I bring the DVCProHD file into Premiere and render it out as a QuickTime file which Vegas can then read.

Mike, thank you. When performing this process, is there any loss of quality?

Norman Willis
http://www.nazareneisrael.org


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Mike Kujbida
Re: Best Tool To Bring DVCProHD into Vegas
on Jan 6, 2015 at 11:47:44 pm

To be honest Norman, it's been a while since I had to do it but as I recall, there was very little degradation.


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Russ Froze
Re: Best Tool To Bring DVCProHD into Vegas
on Jan 7, 2015 at 3:40:09 am

I open it in quicktime then save it as a hinted movie wich Vegas can now ingest without transcoding or loss of quality. Works for me anyway.
Russ Froze


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Mike Kujbida
Re: Best Tool To Bring DVCProHD into Vegas
on Jan 7, 2015 at 10:24:17 am

Russ, what do you mean by a hinted movie? DO you need to buy QuickTime Pro to be able to do this?


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John Rofrano
Re: Best Tool To Bring DVCProHD into Vegas
on Jan 7, 2015 at 11:28:54 am

Yes, I too am wondering what "hinted movie" means.

Norman, I was going to comment that you purchased a capture card that is primarily designed for the Mac (even though it does work in a PC) and so it's saving in a format that works great on a Mac but not so great on a PC. You might want to rethink your production pipeline and either buy a Mac or buy a card that captures in PC friendly formats. Having to transcode everything you capture is suboptimal for every day work.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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Russ Froze
Re: Best Tool To Bring DVCProHD into Vegas
on Jan 7, 2015 at 3:05:46 pm
Last Edited By Russ Froze on Jan 7, 2015 at 3:53:29 pm

[Mike Kujbida] "what do you mean by a hinted movie?"

I'm sorry I don't recall if the feature is available in the standard version. I must however adjust my statement from "save as hinted movie" to "save as a reference movie". Hinted Movie is from Avid Media composer which allows the viewing of a timeline edit in an external media viewer without the need to encode. It's useful for submitting an edit for review and sign off.
Russ Froze


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Norman Willis
Re: Best Tool To Bring DVCProHD into Vegas
on Jan 7, 2015 at 6:19:15 pm

I downloaded QuickTime basic, and the option to save as a specific file type was greyed out, so I loaded my Quicktime Pro unlock code (from before), and now it gives two options: "Save As a Self-Contained Movie" (97MB), and "Save as a Reference Movie" (9KB). So I assume "self contained" means it includes the media, and "reference" means it makes a simple link.

I saved as both file types, and they both drag onto the Vegas Pro 13 timeline--but I only get audio (and not video) both in Vegas, and in QuickTime, which is weird, because I get both in Premiere Pro CS6 (which I have not had time to learn, long story).

I called Apple, and they said it sounded like a missing video codec. I put in a call to AJA, and they were in a meeting, so I am waiting on a call back. I should probably call Sony (and see if they will help). I would like to know why I get video in CS6, but not in Quicktime, or in Vegas.

Norman Willis
http://www.nazareneisrael.org


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John Rofrano
Re: Best Tool To Bring DVCProHD into Vegas
on Jan 7, 2015 at 7:54:23 pm

[Norman Willis] "I would like to know why I get video in CS6, but not in Quicktime, or in Vegas."
I'm guessing because CS6 also runs on a Mac and Vegas Pro does not. So Adobe had to add DVCPROHD support for their Mac version so their PC version has it too. As I said, you bought a card that is primarily design to work with a Mac.

You may need to purchase the Raylight Decoder which will allow you to import DVCPROHD into Vegas Pro.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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Norman Willis
Re: Best Tool To Bring DVCProHD into Vegas
on Jan 7, 2015 at 8:43:21 pm
Last Edited By Norman Willis on Jan 7, 2015 at 8:50:34 pm

I just got off the phone with AJA. They were very helpful and professional. Long story short, I can now capture in AJA Control Room, but still cannot capture in Vegas Pro 13. When I go to Preferences, then Device, I select the AJA Capture Card, and it says, "Device Not Available." I both wrote and called Sony on this issue back in summer, and never did hear back.

In contrast, I can capture with the new AJA Control Room v10.3, and drag it onto the Vegas timeline. The audio is faint, but I can probably boost it.

To be fair, this same capture crashes the latest version of QuickTime (v7.7.6). AJA also said that FCPX also cannot capture natively, but must capture in Control Room, and import. However, I was impressed by both AJA and Apple Tech Support.

Norman Willis
http://www.nazareneisrael.org


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Russ Froze
Re: Best Tool To Bring DVCProHD into Vegas
on Jan 7, 2015 at 10:16:06 pm

[Norman Willis] "it sounded like a missing video codec"

Yes that's it. I have Blackmagic Design Desktop Video installed for my Blackmagic cameras. This is what installed the codec that allows Quicktime to read the video portion of the prores files on my pc installation. It's a free software can be downloaded from
https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/support

under Desktop Video 10.3.4
Russ Froze


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