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Andy Bott
Best Rendering Settings for Z3
on Jan 4, 2015 at 6:44:22 pm

Hi,

I have an mts video shot with a Fuji [I think] camera and it seems no matter what settings I use, the rendered video has some issues when playing back on a Z3:
- No sound
- Just cannot play in the video player
- Invisible to the video player
- *Huge* file size!


What settings should I use?

PS I'd also like to play the same rendered file on a Samsung Note 10.1 if possible, too.


Thank you,
Andy

Full settings for the mts file:

General
Name: xxx.mts
Folder:
Type: MPEG-2 Transport Stream
Size: 343.78 MB (352,026,624 bytes)
Created: Wednesday, July 16, 2014, 11:03:03 PM
Modified: Wednesday, July 16, 2014, 10:52:27 PM
Accessed: Wednesday, July 16, 2014, 11:03:03 PM
Attributes: Archive

Streams
Video: 00:05:02.120, 25.000 fps interlaced, 1440x1080x12, AVC
Audio: 00:05:02.120, 48,000 Hz, Stereo, Dolby AC-3

ACID information
ACID chunk: no
Stretch chunk: no
Stretch list: no
Stretch info2: no
Beat markers: no
Detected beats: no

Other metadata
Regions/markers: no
Command markers: no

Media manager
Media tags: no

Plug-In
Name: compoundplug.dll
Folder:
Format: MPEG-2 Transport Stream
Version: Version 13.0 (Build 310) 64-bit
Company: Sony Creative Software Inc.


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John Rofrano
Re: Best Rendering Settings for Z3
on Jan 4, 2015 at 7:29:34 pm

[Andy Bott] "What settings should I use?"
I would use the MainConcept AVC encoder with the Sony Tablet 720p setting. Even though the Z3 can display 1080p, there is no reason to feed 1080p to a 5.3 inch display. 720p will look fine but if you are fanatical about quality, use the Sony Tablet 1080p template but the file will be larger and take up more space on your phone. This should also work with your Samsung Note 10 as well.

~jr

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Andy Bott
Re: Best Rendering Settings for Z3
on Jan 5, 2015 at 7:30:28 am

Thanks jr.

I agree with your comments on 720p v 1080p.


"MainConcept AVC encoder with the Sony Tablet 720p" settings work for the Z3, but the video is squashed [too narrow] for the Note.

The 720p file is also 462Mb, larger than the original 335 Mb.

Q1) What would be good/clear settings for the Z3 [and/or Note] with a smaller file size?

Q2) What settings would be good for the Note 10.1 @ 720p?



Thank you so much for your help.

The array of settings has been confusing me for years.
Andy


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John Rofrano
Re: Best Rendering Settings for Z3
on Jan 5, 2015 at 11:50:56 am

[Andy Bott] "Q1) What would be good/clear settings for the Z3 [and/or Note] with a smaller file size?"
Open the template and reduce the bit rate. The file size is determined by the bit rate which, I agree, is set kind of high for those templates.
[Andy Bott] "Q2) What settings would be good for the Note 10.1 @ 720p?"
What's the aspect ratio of the Note? If it's not 16:9 like the Z3 then no video is going to look good on both. I believe the Note is 2560x1600 which is not 16:9 so that's why it looks squeezed i.e., the Note is not wide enough (16:9 would be or 2844x1600). What you want is not possible.

~jr

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http://www.vasst.com



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Andy Bott
Re: Best Rendering Settings for Z3
on Jan 5, 2015 at 2:24:35 pm

Thank you John.

"Open the template and reduce the bit rate. The file size is determined by the bit rate which, I agree, is set kind of high for those templates."

It's at 16m max & 8m average for the 720p.

In your experience, what would you use? What's a good starting point?

Your experience is valuable. Thank you.



"I believe the Note is 2560x1600 which is not 16:9 so that's why it looks squeezed"

Yes, you're right, but it's squeezed *and* leaving broad dark bands on the left and right.

I've been making videos for years with other software, so I understand the issues. Typically, you'll get a letterbox or black stripes on the left and right if the ratios don't match up. However, the video itself is displayed correctly at the right ratio.

I'm only getting these annoying issues with the this mts file. I believe the original video is interpolated into wide screen, so when the Samsung renders the Vegas rendered video, the normal 6:4 window is shown with a squeezed widescreen image. [The original mts video was squeezed & without sound on Samsungs and Nokia]

FYI: Life is *much* better now. Originally, only a PC could play the mts video correctly, *all* other devices had issues. At least now we can hear the sound and it's only squeezed on Samsungs!

Any advice on how to render this strange mts video is greatly appreciated.


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John Rofrano
Re: Best Rendering Settings for Z3
on Jan 6, 2015 at 12:20:51 pm

[Andy Bott] "In your experience, what would you use? What's a good starting point?"
You can probably get away with 1/2 that bit rate. 4Mbps for 720p will probably look fine. 6Mbps even better. AVC/H.264 maintains good quality at low bit rates. If file size is a concern, adjust the bit rate to get the file size you want and then judge the quality for yourself.
[Andy Bott] "I'm only getting these annoying issues with the this mts file. I believe the original video is interpolated into wide screen, so when the Samsung renders the Vegas rendered video, the normal 6:4 window is shown with a squeezed widescreen image."
I'm confused. Are you trying to play an MTS feel on the Note? I would render to MP4 and then at that point, it should be treated just like any other MP4 file and display correctly.

~jr

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http://www.vasst.com



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Andy Bott
Re: Best Rendering Settings for Z3
on Jan 6, 2015 at 3:10:08 pm

Thank you John,

1) I'll use 1/2 the bit as a base point for future videos.

2) The native mts file only plays correctly in the original camera and on the PC. No other cellphone, tablet etc plays the file correctly.

Typically, the video is squashed to 6x4 from a widescreen format.

Some devices wouldn't play the sound either.

That's why I'm trying so hard to convert the video into a more "standard" format.

At least now it plays correctly on my Sony Z3.

Rendered as mp4 [or others] produced a squashed video on Samsungs.

Since this video is very cute, plenty of people have tried to help me. It's quite amazing all the random variations of rendering we can see.


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John Rofrano
Re: Best Rendering Settings for Z3
on Jan 6, 2015 at 4:01:17 pm

[Andy Bott] "Rendered as mp4 [or others] produced a squashed video on Samsungs."
Did you render in the native resolution of the Samsung? It seems that would fix the problem. Like I said, trying to get one video to work on devices with different aspect ratios is not going to work.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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Andy Bott
Re: Best Rendering Settings for Z3
on Jan 7, 2015 at 4:24:55 am

Yes, one size won't fit all.

But, as long as I don't get stretching/deformation, I'm happy.


The wmv 720p rendering from Vegas works well on both Z3 & Samsung!

So, I'm happy.


Thank you for all your help!


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John Rofrano
Re: Best Rendering Settings for Z3
on Jan 7, 2015 at 11:13:49 am

You're welcome. Glad you found something that works.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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