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Roger Smith
Move Track to front while changing track motion
on Dec 30, 2014 at 8:17:04 am

I'm trying to figure out how to do this. I have 4 cameras doing hockey games, and for coaches I have all four cameras sharing the screen, overlapping a little just to get each one as big as possible. When a goal is scored, I enlarge that camera and do my pan and zooms. It's easy with the camera on top, but on the second track it ends up behind the front track. What's a smooth way for that 2nd track to end op on top without abruptly muting that section of first one? Any help would be very appreciated. Below are the photos to illustrate...







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Aleksey Tarasov
Re: Move Track to front while changing track motion
on Dec 30, 2014 at 8:59:41 am

Set compositing mode to 3D Source Alpha and use Z coordinate to move your track to the top (eg. set Z position of the beginning and end keyframes to -1)


proDAD Mercalli


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Roger Smith
Re: Move Track to front while changing track motion
on Dec 30, 2014 at 9:04:35 am

Thank you! I understand the idea, but is there a good tutorial for that somewhere you know for Vegas? Thanks


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Aleksey Tarasov
Re: Move Track to front while changing track motion
on Dec 30, 2014 at 6:09:52 pm

Here's demo project - work was done using Track Motion keyframes (changing Z position).


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John Rofrano
Re: Move Track to front while changing track motion
on Dec 30, 2014 at 3:06:13 pm

[Roger Smith] "What's a smooth way for that 2nd track to end op on top without abruptly muting that section of first one?"
Only one track can be on top. That means that you need to duplicate the second track and place it on top and delete everything else on the track that you don't want to be in front of the other clips. In other words, that track will only have clips for the times that it needs to be on top of the others.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
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Andrew Lenczycki
Re: Move Track to front while changing track motion
on Dec 30, 2014 at 3:42:44 pm

Building on what John Rofrano said, attached is a simple Vegas Pro 10 file with 4 "camera" views created with Generated Media - Solid Colors. It demonstrates exactly what John is talking about.

Here is the link to the file:
8345_4screencamerazoom.veg.zip

Andrew Lenczycki


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Aleksey Tarasov
Re: Move Track to front while changing track motion
on Dec 30, 2014 at 4:02:06 pm
Last Edited By Aleksey Tarasov on Dec 30, 2014 at 4:14:13 pm

It's easy with Solid Color media, with the actual video files it requires synchronization, etc.
3D Track Motion is the easiest way (only 4 tracks)


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Roger Smith
Re: Move Track to front while changing track motion
on Dec 30, 2014 at 5:09:07 pm

What I'm trying to do is just as this one slides out to show full screen, slide the second one out. for the short time of the goal, then back again. I'd rather not get into all the cutting and moving if there's a simpler way. Everything is all synced up already, so I guess I could cut the second track and inserting like I do the goalie view, but I would rather do it uniform throughout the whole video. They switch sides, which is what creates the problem. I do several teams and lots of games, so the least amount of time I spend on each project helps the business. Nothing fancy...

4 camera video clip



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John Rofrano
Re: Move Track to front while changing track motion
on Dec 30, 2014 at 5:17:38 pm

[Roger Smith] "I'd rather not get into all the cutting and moving if there's a simpler way."
The only easier way is to mute the top track for the duration that you want to the 2nd track to be on top. Vegas Pro is not a 3D application. You can't just move tracks in front of each other. The only way it works is the top track is always in front. Splitting events are moving them to higher tracks is how to accomplish this. Otherwise you need to use a 3D application like Boris RED or After Effects.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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Russ Froze
Re: Move Track to front while changing track motion
on Jan 1, 2015 at 12:56:51 am

[Roger Smith] "I do several teams and lots of games, so the least amount of time I spend on each project helps the business. Nothing fancy.."

Hi all, sorry I'm late I've been away.
The easiest way is for me, is to add a track above and make all below a child. Then do track motion from the parent track. This avoids any further cutting or fading in and out. Sample veg is here 8357_movetracktofrontwhilechangingtrackmotion.veg.zip
Great fun and I find all the solutions are very clever and informative. Good work all.
Russ Froze


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John Rofrano
Re: Move Track to front while changing track motion
on Jan 1, 2015 at 5:04:50 pm

[Russ Froze] "The easiest way is for me, is to add a track above and make all below a child. Then do track motion from the parent track. This avoids any further cutting or fading in and out."
The problem with that solution is you are just zooming into the entire frame which will reduce the resolution significantly and also doesn't adjust for the fact that some videos are behind the other and need to come forward so that the entire video frame can be seen not just the section that's visible from behind. The only way to get the entire frame to display is to bring the video forward in 3D space so that the whole video is revealed.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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Roger Smith
Re: Move Track to front while changing track motion
on Dec 30, 2014 at 5:15:26 pm

[Andrew Lenczycki] "Building on what John Rofrano said, attached is a simple Vegas Pro 10 file with 4 "camera" views created with Generated Media - Solid Colors. It demonstrates exactly what John is talking about."

That works perfect if I had all four equal size. I wouldn't be having the problem at all. I guess I could fade out the top screen as I enlarge the second one. I'll try it.


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Roger Smith
Re: Move Track to front while changing track motion
on Dec 30, 2014 at 5:32:06 pm

Well, I found a quick way, probably the only way, to do it. Just Add a track composite level, then fade it out over the same time I do the track motion change. It's not what I wanted, but gets the job done.

One more thing, is there a way to have the event (clip) times (keyframes) across the top of the timeline along with the project time? I find the spot where I want to do the pan and zoom on the timeline, the I open the event pan/crop, and have to find it again!! How do I see the event keyframe from the timeline? That would be another time saver...

Thanks for all your help guys!


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John Rofrano
Re: Move Track to front while changing track motion
on Dec 30, 2014 at 5:34:46 pm

[Roger Smith] "I find the spot where I want to do the pan and zoom on the timeline, the I open the event pan/crop, and have to find it again!! How do I see the event keyframe from the timeline?"
In Pan/Crop, turn on Sync Cursor



~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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Roger Smith
Re: Move Track to front while changing track motion
on Dec 30, 2014 at 6:03:16 pm

Brilliant!! Thanks John. Here the solution I came up with. It's quick and easy, but not uniform with the other cuts. I'll run with it unless someone can point out a better way?

Solution to Second track on top



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John Rofrano
Re: Move Track to front while changing track motion
on Dec 30, 2014 at 10:09:03 pm

That looks fine and it's a good compromise between a lot of editing or a little fading.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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Norman Black
Re: Move Track to front while changing track motion
on Dec 31, 2014 at 8:04:04 pm

This was an instructive thread to read. Thanks to all.


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