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Tim Riordan
Optimizing Vegas 12 over multiple drives
on Dec 19, 2014 at 7:36:28 pm

Hi All,

I have Vegas 12 64bit build 770, and am running Win 7 Ultimate. I am just adding a third HDD today and am wondering about optimizing Vegas across several drives. I have my OS and Vegas installed on a 120Gb SSD. I keep my .veg project files and all media on a WD Black drive, and also have my Prerender and Temp file folders on the same HDD as the media, and I render to that drive as well. As I'm adding another 3Tb Black drive today, I'm wondering if there is any advantage to keeping .veg project files and directories on one drive and all project media on another, or just using one as a render drive? So a potential setup would looks something like: OS and Vegas program on the SSD; .veg and directories on one HDD; and all project media on another HDD. The setup I have to this point is pretty much rock solid for stability. But I'm looking for performance tweaks. I'm curious what others do?

Thanks,
Tim


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Mike Kujbida
Re: Optimizing Vegas 12 over multiple drives
on Dec 19, 2014 at 7:45:00 pm

I prefer to keep all related project material in a single master folder. This is the way I've always done it and it works for me as well as making backups much easier.
When I start a new project, I create a master folder under that name. In that master folder are various subfolders such as Project Files, Graphics, Audio, Raw Footage, Renders and whatever else is needed.
If the music or graphics exist elsewhere on my drive, I make a copy of it/them for the project. That way everything is all in one place.


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Tim Riordan
Re: Optimizing Vegas 12 over multiple drives
on Dec 19, 2014 at 8:13:00 pm

Thanks for the input Mike. In terms of organizing the project that seems really sensible and I do similar for the media. But I'm more curious about situations where you have multiple drives as mentioned in the op, and the arrangement of .veg project files, the Temp, Prerender and Render folders and then the media itself. Is there any advantage in terms of speed or even more stability when distributing said items (not the individual project media) across multiple drives?


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Mike Kujbida
Re: Optimizing Vegas 12 over multiple drives
on Dec 19, 2014 at 8:19:15 pm

Tim, I wish I could answer your question but I've always done things the way I describe so I have no idea if your way would add speed or stability. Hopefully other users will jump in here and offer their experiences.


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John Rofrano
Re: Optimizing Vegas 12 over multiple drives
on Dec 19, 2014 at 9:28:41 pm

I keep all of my project media in a single folder just like Mike does. This makes it very easy to archive when the project is done because the folder is self-contained. I have a setup with three drives with an SSD boot drive for OS and applications, 3TB WD Green drive with stock media (stock footage, digital juice files, ACID Loops, etc.) and then a third drive for my projects. (in the past I've used a RAID 0 but now I use a RAID 5 for my video editing drive). I've never had a separate "render" drive because renders have always been CPU/GPU bound since I started cutting HD.

I guess you could use the extra drive for rendering so that the source is on one drive and the target is on the other but this will only improve performance if disk I/O is the bottleneck in your system. If not, you are wasting your time worrying about it.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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Tim Riordan
Re: Optimizing Vegas 12 over multiple drives
on Dec 19, 2014 at 10:06:40 pm

Thanks John, that is exactly the kind of info I was looking for. Based on that answer I think the setup I have is already pretty optimized, and I won't worry about adding the extra drive into the Vegas mix. It becomes more internal archived storage. My backups are to USB drives. Thanks for taking the time to answer.


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John Rofrano
Re: Optimizing Vegas 12 over multiple drives
on Dec 20, 2014 at 1:36:55 am

My pleasure Tim, glad I could help.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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Nigel O'Neill
Re: Optimizing Vegas 12 over multiple drives
on Dec 20, 2014 at 11:16:29 pm

Hmmm ... I wonder if anyone on this forum has an SSD only setup. I have been considering it, and with prices starting to come down to around $500 for a 1 TB drive, would it give that last bit of performance boost for an aging 1st gen i7 setup such as mine?

My system specs: Intel i7 970, 12GB RAM, ASUS P6T, Vegas Pro 12 (x64), Windows 7 x64 Ultimate, Vegas Production Assistant 1.0, VASST Ultimate S Pro 4.1, Neat Video Pro 2.6


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John Rofrano
Re: Optimizing Vegas 12 over multiple drives
on Dec 21, 2014 at 12:46:28 am

[Nigel O'Neill] "would it give that last bit of performance boost for an aging 1st gen i7 setup such as mine?"
It depends on how old your motherboard is. If you have SATA II your 6GB/s SSD will be limited by the 3GB/s SATA II bus speed and will only get 1/2 the throughput as SATA III. I added an SSD boot drive to my 6 ear old 2008 Mac Pro 8-Core w/SATA II and it definitely made it feel like a new computer. You don't realize how I/O bound the OS is until you get an SSD. So there are benefits.

My 2012 Mac Pro is also limited by a SATA II bus and the 3 disc RAID 5 on my Apple RAID card is almost as fast as my SSD because at some point you saturate the 3GB/s SATA II bus and nothing is going to go faster. Then I added an OWC Mercury Accelsior_E2 PCI Express SSD and now I'm getting twice the throughout on that SSD because it's 6GB/s SATA III and it also has two eSATA ports so my external eSATA enclosure is actually faster then my internal drives.

So breathing life into an old computer with an SSD is definitely worthwhile but how much life you get depends on whether your motherboard is SATA II or SATA III.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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Nigel O'Neill
Re: Optimizing Vegas 12 over multiple drives
on Dec 21, 2014 at 3:10:34 am

Thanks John. A comprehensive response, as always. My system only supports SATA II. The Mercury Accelsior looks interesting/tempting, but I have a sneaking suspicion my PCI Express slot is taken by my USB 3 card. My Video card takes up 2 slots and there is only 1 slot left. Will have to consult the manual to see what's left.


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John Rofrano
Re: Optimizing Vegas 12 over multiple drives
on Dec 21, 2014 at 4:23:47 am

[Nigel O'Neill] "Will have to consult the manual to see what's left."
The Mercury Accelsior should be in a 4x slot to get full bandwidth. If you put it in a 2x slot it will work but at 1/2 the speed so it's not worth it at that point. I use it as a boot drive and it's scary fast.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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Sorin Nicu
Re: Optimizing Vegas 12 over multiple drives
on Dec 22, 2014 at 12:06:17 am
Last Edited By Sorin Nicu on Dec 22, 2014 at 12:11:34 am

That is based on Asmedia 1061 chipset. There are numerous cards based on that chipset, one now at $10 (I have it): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816124045&cm_re=asmed...
And they are all only x1 PCI-E (so IMO they are good for only one SSD):
http://www.asmedia.com.tw/eng/e_show_products.php?item=118


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John Rofrano
Re: Optimizing Vegas 12 over multiple drives
on Dec 22, 2014 at 4:41:33 pm

[Sorin Nicu] "That is based on Asmedia 1061 chipset. There are numerous cards based on that chipset, one now at $10"
Yes, you could have just purchased a SATA card and added your own drives. The key thing for me was that it also had external eSATA ports and that I could use it as a boot drive on the Mac. Also the Mercury card is self contained, there is no need for external power for the SSD's.

Here is another nice SATA III card from StarTech that's only $34 USD and has external eSATA ports:

StarTech PCI-Express x1 Low Profile Ready SATA III (6.0Gb/s) 2 Int/2 Ext SA...

Still only PCIe x1 but good for breathing life into an older computer with SATA II.
[Sorin Nicu] "And they are all only x1 PCI-E (so IMO they are good for only one SSD):"
Yea, the Mercury card is PCIe x2 and I was wrong, it only needs a x2 slot. They recommend placing it in an empty x4 slot on the Mac Pro because 4x is the smallest slot but all you really need is a x2 slot.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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Scott Francis
Re: Optimizing Vegas 12 over multiple drives
on Dec 22, 2014 at 9:16:54 pm

SSD on the OS drive is a big improvement IMHO as well. Last 4 systems I have built have had them and when I occasionally use another system, I can really tell.

Just added one to my late 2011 MBP and it is like a new computer....especially when booting to Windows...

Xavier (Scott) Francis
Mind's Eye Audio/Video Productions


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Nigel O'Neill
Re: Optimizing Vegas 12 over multiple drives
on Dec 22, 2014 at 9:34:45 pm

[Scott Francis] "Just added one to my late 2011 MBP"

Scott, have you experimented with rendering on an SSD only setup?

[Scott Francis] "and it is like a new computer."

My work has just started replacing our PC's with laptops containing SSD drives. It is an i7, but I have to say the boot time is about the same as on my old PC because of all the corporate cr*p they have put on it, but I shudder to think what the boot time would have been with a standard HDD.


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John Rofrano
Re: Optimizing Vegas 12 over multiple drives
on Dec 22, 2014 at 10:13:54 pm

[Nigel O'Neill] "My work has just started replacing our PC's with laptops containing SSD drives. It is an i7, but I have to say the boot time is about the same as on my old PC"
I have found that Windows is a big slow lumbering giant regardless of what media you put it on. In my experience, Mac OS X boots considerably faster. On my 2008 Mac Pro, OS X boots to the desktop in 14 seconds while Windows takes 30 seconds on the exact same computer/SSD. I'm guessing my times are even faster on my 2010 Mac Pro because it has SATA III SSD instead of SATA II, I've just never measured it.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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Scott Francis
Re: Optimizing Vegas 12 over multiple drives
on Dec 23, 2014 at 1:10:02 am
Last Edited By Scott Francis on Dec 23, 2014 at 1:14:04 am

My workstation with an i7, 4790 I believe, boots in 11 seconds with my Samsung EVO SSD drive...Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit.

My MBP with SSD and Yosemite and Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit on it as well, from the OS selection screen:
Yosemite - 13 seconds
Windows - 25 seconds
Just timed it....

The Macs at my church are AGONIZINGLY slow since Yosemite has been installed. Like twice as long to boot...i5 or i7's on them, But some are 5400RMP drives too..

As far as rendering, I HAVE rendered to my desktop (SSD) with smaller projects and I would say speed may have been a TAD faster if a all...I haven't timed it.

I have an SSD main drive (120GB)
A render to drive (1 TB, WD Blue)
3 Project Drives (3 Hitachi 3TB drives)

This is at least my experience...

Xavier (Scott) Francis
Mind's Eye Audio/Video Productions


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John Rofrano
Re: Optimizing Vegas 12 over multiple drives
on Dec 23, 2014 at 4:04:13 pm

I would be shocked if rendering to an SSD would be any faster. Most renders are CPU/GPU bound and are not waiting for disk I/O.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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Scott Francis
Re: Optimizing Vegas 12 over multiple drives
on Dec 23, 2014 at 7:28:18 pm

Sorta OT, but booting my Mac Mini at work i7 2.3ghz with 8 gig Ram...59.34 seconds....
SLLLLOOOOOOWWWWW

LOL!

Xavier (Scott) Francis
Mind's Eye Audio/Video Productions


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John Rofrano
Re: Optimizing Vegas 12 over multiple drives
on Dec 24, 2014 at 12:20:50 am

[Scott Francis] "Sorta OT, but booting my Mac Mini at work i7 2.3ghz with 8 gig Ram...59.34 seconds.... SLLLLOOOOOOWWWWW"
Not surprising. Mac Mini's don't come with SSD drives so unless you altered it, I'm guessing it has a slow 5400 RPM laptop drive in it.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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Scott Francis
Re: Optimizing Vegas 12 over multiple drives
on Dec 24, 2014 at 3:50:05 am

Correct, however the i5 iMacs are fairly slow as well with 7200RPM drives...These all are with Yosemite....which is interesting as I have noticed ALL our non-SSD drives really slowing down with booting since we updated to the new OS...

I am sure part of the slowness on the Mac Mini's is the 5400rpm issues... my Mac Mini and MBP with SSD's are faster, however it seem Yosemite is slower to load as well in my experience....

Xavier (Scott) Francis
Mind's Eye Audio/Video Productions


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John Rofrano
Re: Optimizing Vegas 12 over multiple drives
on Dec 24, 2014 at 6:51:24 pm

[Scott Francis] "it seem Yosemite is slower to load as well in my experience...."
Check that your boot drive is still specified. Go to System Preference then Startup Disk and make sure that your boot drive is highlighted (not just listed, but highlighted) If your boot drive is not highlighted then highlight it. Otherwise your Mac will take longer to boot while it searches for the boot device.

Yosemite does boot different. I noticed that it loads for a bit. Then pauses and my second display lights up, then it finished booting.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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Nigel O'Neill
Re: Optimizing Vegas 12 over multiple drives
on Dec 25, 2014 at 2:24:07 am

Thanks, John and Scott. In short, SSD's don't improve render times.

Merry X'mas and thanks for your sage advice over the past 6 years. Without it, I probably would have ended up using Hideous (Edius) or ** shudder ** Adobe Premiere.

My system specs: Intel i7 970, 12GB RAM, ASUS P6T, Vegas Pro 12 (x64), Windows 7 x64 Ultimate, Vegas Production Assistant 1.0, VASST Ultimate S Pro 4.1, Neat Video Pro 2.6


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John Rofrano
Re: Optimizing Vegas 12 over multiple drives
on Dec 25, 2014 at 1:13:31 pm

You're welcome Nigel. Thanks for the kind words and Merry Christmas to you too.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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