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Debbie King
Make A Smaller File for Rendering in Sony vs Creating Stems in Audio Editor
on Dec 8, 2014 at 8:08:50 pm
Last Edited By Debbie King on Dec 8, 2014 at 8:18:51 pm

Hello Everyone

When I render my file in Sony, it is 20GB. This may be why I am having problems burning to my Blu ray. At least I would hope that that's the case. I haven't tried the other suggestions concerning the blu ray burning yet, as I am finishing up on some additional edits in audio. I have read that when people drop the audio into an audio editor, they create stems, so to make the file smaller. In my case, I did all of my audio mixing in Sony. Is there a way for me to make my file smaller? I have a total of 156 tracks.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks,

Debbie


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John Rofrano
Re: Make A Smaller File for Rendering in Sony vs Creating Stems in Audio Editor
on Dec 9, 2014 at 12:12:56 am

[Debbie King] "When I render my file in Sony, it is 20GB. This may be why I am having problems burning to my Blu ray. At least I would hope that that's the case."
Blu-ray can hold 25GB of video and audio + menus so 20GB should not be a problem.
[Debbie King] "I have read that when people drop the audio into an audio editor, they create stems, so to make the file smaller. In my case, I did all of my audio mixing in Sony. Is there a way for me to make my file smaller? I have a total of 156 tracks."
You mean you have 156 tracks in your project that you rendered to stereo or did you render 156 separate tracks of audio for your Blu-ray? It isn't clear from your post.

You should be rendering your audio as Dolby Digital AC3. This will give you the smallest file size.

~jr

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Debbie King
Re: Make A Smaller File for Rendering in Sony vs Creating Stems in Audio Editor
on Dec 9, 2014 at 12:17:29 am

Hi John:

I have 156 tracks that renders to stereo. I posted an earlier question regarding my blu ray not burning, and it was suggested to maybe use Wave64 as an alternative. I had rendered AC3 on an earlier version of my edit, but for some reason, DVDA is not reading my disc as a blu ray and compresses my file from 20GB to 6GB. I don't understand why I can't upload the full 20GB. I am still working it out. Well, not really! I went back into the project and started fiddling around with the audio again. I just finished, and will try rendering and burning it again.

Many thanks for responding.

Best,

Debbie


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John Rofrano
Re: Make A Smaller File for Rendering in Sony vs Creating Stems in Audio Editor
on Dec 9, 2014 at 12:20:54 am

Sorry I didn't see your other thread. Are you rendering using the DVD Architect templates for Blu-ray without changing them? Are you sure that your project is set to Blu-ray and not DVD?

~jr

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Debbie King
Re: Make A Smaller File for Rendering in Sony vs Creating Stems in Audio Editor
on Dec 9, 2014 at 12:33:32 am

Hi John:

I use the setting for MainConcept MPEG2 Blu ray 1440x1080 24P and Dolby AC3. After it renders I upload it into DVDA which is fine, accept that it compresses the file a great deal and won't allow me to burn blu ray. It reads that I have a DVD in the drive.

Many thanks,

Debbie


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John Rofrano
Re: Make A Smaller File for Rendering in Sony vs Creating Stems in Audio Editor
on Dec 9, 2014 at 1:12:43 am

[Debbie King] "It reads that I have a DVD in the drive."
Well there is your problem right there. Try burning it to an ISO file first. That should be one of the built-in options. Then you can burn the ISO file to Blu-ray with a free utility like BurnAware.

~jr

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Debbie King
Re: Make A Smaller File for Rendering in Sony vs Creating Stems in Audio Editor
on Dec 9, 2014 at 1:18:05 am
Last Edited By Debbie King on Dec 9, 2014 at 1:21:27 am

Thank you John:

So I would first render it with the settings I posted before, MPEG2 1440x1080 and AC3, then in DVDA burn it as an ISO, then burn the ISO to blu ray. I just want to be clear on the process.

Also when I upload it to DVDA as a blu ray setting the audio levels move. My dialogue, music and sound effects are thrown and I don't understand why. Places in Sony that were loud is now very low in DVDA with the blu ray settings. The other problem is that it compresses my 20GB file to a 6GB, which may explain why there is a change in my audio.

Many thanks,

Debbie


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Mark Barton
Re: Make A Smaller File for Rendering in Sony vs Creating Stems in Audio Editor
on Dec 9, 2014 at 3:08:51 am

You don't really mention it in this post, but did you set the project settings within DVDA to Blu-ray. Sounds like it is still at the default of dvd instead. DVDA does not detect from your rendered video you upload to it what type of disc format you would like to create. In DVDA, go to Properties under the File menu.


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Debbie King
Re: Make A Smaller File for Rendering in Sony vs Creating Stems in Audio Editor
on Dec 9, 2014 at 3:21:04 am

Thank you so much Mark. No I didn't set DVDA to Blu ray. I thought that it would detect it from the file imported.

Thank you so much. I'll try it now.

Best,

Debbie


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John Rofrano
Re: Make A Smaller File for Rendering in Sony vs Creating Stems in Audio Editor
on Dec 9, 2014 at 12:05:08 pm

[Debbie King] "No I didn't set DVDA to Blu ray. I thought that it would detect it from the file imported."
You know, there is always a point at which you just assume people are setting their project up correctly and you don't want to insult them by asking the obvious question but good on Mark for asking it.

DVD Architect will make whatever the project is set up for. It doesn't care what video you give it... it will convert that footage to the project format. What is happening is DVD Architect is converting your Blu-ray render to DVD format because the project is set to make a DVD. You definitely need to set your DVD Architect project to Blu-ray if you expect it to create a Blu-ray disc.

~jr

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http://www.vasst.com



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Debbie King
Re: Make A Smaller File for Rendering in Sony vs Creating Stems in Audio Editor
on Dec 9, 2014 at 4:51:33 pm

Thanks John:

What a relief. I thought I was in the twilight zone. I rendered again and uploaded with the proper DVDA blu ray settings and all picked up well. Now I'll see if burning will be as smooth.

Thank you so much.

Best,

Debbie


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John Rofrano
Re: Make A Smaller File for Rendering in Sony vs Creating Stems in Audio Editor
on Dec 10, 2014 at 1:25:56 pm

Awesome! Let us know if the burning works for you.

~jr

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http://www.vasst.com



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Debbie King
Re: Make A Smaller File for Rendering in Sony vs Creating Stems in Audio Editor
on Dec 10, 2014 at 5:37:33 pm

Hi John:

Nope! Burning not smooth! DVDA is picking up that my Blu ray is a read only. I contacted ASUS and they say that I should be able to burn using a third party software, which DVDA is. So, that said, I dug deeper and discovered that the ASUS WINDOWS Update changed my Burner to a BD ROM. This is why when I tried to burn directly from Vegas, it told me to insert a writable disc. Also, when I try to burn directly through ASUS, it tells me to insert a writable disc, and why DVDA says it read only. So, I am in a dilemma, because facing a deadline and needing to burn this disc ASAP, I am forced to buy an external burner which is breaking my tight pocket. You mentioned before in an earlier post that I could use IMGBurn. Can I use IMGBurn without buying an external burner, even though my drive is not allowing any burning?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks,

Debbie


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John Rofrano
Re: Make A Smaller File for Rendering in Sony vs Creating Stems in Audio Editor
on Dec 10, 2014 at 8:54:10 pm

[Debbie King] "Can I use IMGBurn without buying an external burner, even though my drive is not allowing any burning?"
No it will not because the burner is reporting that it's not a burner. You need to find out what Windows Update caused this and uninstall it. That is your only hope of reversing this. All software is going to ask the hardware what it can do and if the hardware says I'm a BD-ROM then the software is not going to be able to burn.

I would get on the phone with ASUS and ask them how to get your system working again. Maybe you just need to re-install the driver for the burner. You can also try and roll back the current driver if ASUS thinks that would help.

BTW, This is why myself and others high recommend that anyone "with a deadline" perform monthly full backups with daily incremental backups of their system. I can take my system back to any day in the last month or any month for the last 3 months. So if I know something was working last week... I just restore the daily incremental to the day before and it's working again!

Also, Windows updates are always breaking their systems. I would turn them off and only update between projects when you have time to debug and only after taking a full backup of your system!

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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Debbie King
Re: Make A Smaller File for Rendering in Sony vs Creating Stems in Audio Editor
on Dec 10, 2014 at 10:22:04 pm

Hi John:

I have been on Live Chat with ASUS for two days trying to get to the bottom of the problem and they have shared a link for me to Chipset the drive. That said, it is still not working properly. The disc, when I insert it reads "BD ROM". However trying this is, I may have to buy a BD Drive so that I can get this project in on time.

Any reason you don't use DVDA to burn your discs?

Many thanks,

Debbie


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John Rofrano
Re: Make A Smaller File for Rendering in Sony vs Creating Stems in Audio Editor
on Dec 10, 2014 at 10:54:49 pm

[Debbie King] "Any reason you don't use DVDA to burn your discs?"
Oh, I use DVD Architect to burn the test discs. Once I'm happy with it, I create a master ISO file and then use my disc duplicator for batch work or BurnAware for individual discs. It's just so that I don't have to load DVD Architect or even have it on my computer every time I need a copy (this way I can burn them from my Mac Pro) ;-) I've burned plenty of discs with DVD Architect of the years. Nothing wrong with it.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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Debbie King
Re: Make A Smaller File for Rendering in Sony vs Creating Stems in Audio Editor
on Dec 11, 2014 at 5:47:24 pm

Great! Thank you. Just wanted to make sure I was on the right path.

Many thanks,

Debbie


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John Rofrano
Re: Make A Smaller File for Rendering in Sony vs Creating Stems in Audio Editor
on Dec 11, 2014 at 6:11:07 pm

You're welcome. It sounds like you are. ;-)

~jr

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http://www.vasst.com



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