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Debbie King
Noise Within the Dialogue Unable to Remove
on Nov 19, 2014 at 12:15:43 am

Hello Everyone:

I have been trying to remove noise that is within the dialogue. I have been successful removing the noise surrounding the dialogue, but as the actor speaks, there is still noise that I am unable to remove. Has this ever happen to anyone? The clip would be clean until the actor speaks and then there would be a buzz or hum sound. When they stop speaking, the humming and buzzing stops.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks,

Debbie


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Graham Bernard
Re: Noise Within the Dialogue Unable to Remove
on Nov 19, 2014 at 2:18:59 am

In Izotope RX there is a HUM Removal module. Have to tried it?

Grazie

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Debbie King
Re: Noise Within the Dialogue Unable to Remove
on Nov 19, 2014 at 3:35:10 am
Last Edited By Debbie King on Nov 19, 2014 at 3:37:35 am

Hi Grazie:

Yes. When I tried it, it cleaned up some of the hum, but created a new noise; like an echo extending from the dialogue. Kind of like a spring sort of. Even the slightest removal created yet another sound coming from the dialogue, but not on the dialogue.

Many thanks,

Debbie


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Graham Bernard
Re: Noise Within the Dialogue Unable to Remove
on Nov 19, 2014 at 5:26:42 am

[Debbie King] "Yes. When I tried it, it cleaned up some of the hum, but created a new noise"
OK, try removing the HUM first, then Denoise. This way you will know you have removed all that continuous "sound"=HUM prior to then giving RX the task of removing the hub-bub.

I've learnt that the ORDER in which I remove noise can bring about unfortunate outcomes - I'm thinking that the "echo" you're getting is one of those. Hum removal also deals with the harmonics of the hum freq. and it may be these that are being reintroduced when then using HUM RX.

Grazie

Video Content Creator and Potter
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Debbie King
Re: Noise Within the Dialogue Unable to Remove
on Nov 20, 2014 at 1:43:59 am

Thanks Grazie:

Great idea. I'll try it.

Many thanks,

Debbie


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Bob Peterson
Re: Noise Within the Dialogue Unable to Remove
on Nov 19, 2014 at 4:34:51 pm
Last Edited By Bob Peterson on Nov 19, 2014 at 4:37:29 pm

I apologize if I am explaining something you already know. If so, please disregard my post.

Since you have a denoiser, that should do the job. The trick is that you have to "teach" the denoiser what it is supposed to remove. Find a small section of the audio which contains ONLY the offending noise. Run the learning mode on that section. In preview, that section should now be silent. Then extend your audio selection to include all of the audio, and run the denoiser. It should remove the noise without changing other sounds such as dialogue.


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Debbie King
Re: Noise Within the Dialogue Unable to Remove
on Nov 19, 2014 at 4:56:13 pm

Hi Bob:

Thank you so much. That is exactly what I did, which is why I am so perplexed. I always find a spot where there is no dialogue so to not create artifacts in the voice. Somehow, the surrounding noise disappears, but leaves the noise in the voice. BTW, this is not for all of the clips; just a few. For most of the film, I was able to get the noise cleaned up.

Many thanks,

Debbie


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Bob Peterson
Re: Noise Within the Dialogue Unable to Remove
on Nov 20, 2014 at 4:09:39 pm

How much are you reducing the noise, and are you later increasing the volume when the audio is played back?


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Debbie King
Re: Noise Within the Dialogue Unable to Remove
on Nov 20, 2014 at 6:24:18 pm

Hi Bob:

That's a good question. My noise reduction is in increments, but I do sometimes raise the volume of the clip, as I am in the process of leveling. I have a most recent post regarding my confusion between Volume and Leveling that I posted a few hours ago. Should I wait until all levels are in place before the clean up?

Many thanks,

Debbie


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Bob Peterson
Re: Noise Within the Dialogue Unable to Remove
on Nov 21, 2014 at 4:31:35 pm

Yes, I think that is your problem. When I increase volume after denoising, there is a point where I can again hear the noise. Also, when I run the denoiser more than once, it is not unusual to begin hearing things that do not sound right. I try to get all of my levels fully adjusted before denoising the audio. I usually can apply a compressor to that result without adverse consequences.


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Steve King
Re: Noise Within the Dialogue Unable to Remove
on Nov 21, 2014 at 5:53:36 pm

I agree that one should set the final track level before applying a noise reduction treatment. However, if you are using envelopes on a track to raise some sections and lower other sections, the noise reduction result will be uneven. If you think about it, as you change the level within a track, you are also changing the level of the noise floor. The same could be said of applying a compressor/expander before treating the noise. Noise reduction tools don't do well with that either. In my experience, noise reduction is always a compromise between minimizing unwanted background noise and how much digital artifacts on the wanted audio you can tolerate. Sometimes two passes of moderate noise reduction provide better results than a single more severe treatment. Some software and hardware solutions are better than others. I regularly use the noise reduction feature of Adobe Audition 3.0. In the past I have used Sound Forge. Both are remarkably good. I haven't tried Vegas Pro's audio restoration Fx. I should do that. I've listened to before and after audio treated with Cedar's hardware solution... stellar!

Steve K
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Debbie King
Re: Noise Within the Dialogue Unable to Remove
on Nov 23, 2014 at 5:02:18 pm

Hi Steve:

Thank you so much for your response. Yes, that would have been a great thing to level before doing noise reduction. Actually, instinctively, I did level a little, but I had not calibrated my speakers at that time. After calibrating my speakers, I found that I needed to change the levels. I am using RX3 for noise reduction, and it is really good. It just happened that in some places, the dialogue was not as cleaned up as the space surrounding it, so when the person speaks, you hear a touch of the noise that had not been reduced. I made a discovery after watching a movie in a theatre last night. The dialogue was low in the movie and appeared personal. My dialogue was louder. So, I lowered my dialogue where it felt more personal, and some of the dialogue that was hit with a little artifact after thorough clean up, sounds much much better.

Many thanks Steve.

Best,

Debbie


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