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Frank Stevn
best pc for Vegas Pro 13
on Oct 13, 2014 at 1:01:11 am
Last Edited By Frank Stevn on Oct 13, 2014 at 1:02:33 am

I need to buy a new PC for editing in Sony Vegas Pro 13.

Any suggestion about what a PC to buy, in order to get the best Vegas performance. (budget under $3,000)

I need an external storage that I can edit directly into it too.


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Steve Rhoden
Re: best pc for Vegas Pro 13
on Oct 13, 2014 at 10:11:30 am

Countless recommendations on that subject posted on here in the past.
You can do a search and find quite a few.

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Frank Stevn
Re: best pc for Vegas Pro 13
on Oct 13, 2014 at 12:15:06 pm

The last conversation I see is from 9 month ago. The hardware changes so fast that maybe there are better recommendations by now.


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Dave Osbun
Re: best pc for Vegas Pro 13
on Oct 13, 2014 at 12:29:31 pm

We talk hardware almost weekly.

Any system using Intel Xeon processors will yield best performance.


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Steve Rhoden
Re: best pc for Vegas Pro 13
on Oct 13, 2014 at 12:59:38 pm

That's correct Dave, Sometimes its even discussed more than on a weekly bases.
The only thing that yields any further significant benefit in Vegas
is processing power and Intel Xeon processors are at the top of that list.

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Frank Stevn
Re: best pc for Vegas Pro 13
on Oct 13, 2014 at 1:25:58 pm
Last Edited By Frank Stevn on Oct 13, 2014 at 1:26:37 pm

I really don't understand very much about hardware, so I don't get much from the discussions about video cards or processors.

What I need is a link to a good pc to buy, or a list of parts to make it build.

The last specification list I found is this from John Rofrano http://johnrofrano.com/post-production/pc-equiptment/hexcore-video-editing-... but it is almost from 2 years ago.


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John Rofrano
Re: best pc for Vegas Pro 13
on Oct 13, 2014 at 1:36:15 pm

[Frank Stevn] "(budget under $3,000)"
For $3000 I'd buy a Mac Pro! lol (actually, for around $2600 you can get a used 12-core 2010 Mac Pro on eBay which is going to be my next computer purchase)

If you want a PC, then check out the VideoGuys DIY 10 build. They always have the latest and greatest hardware in their builds. If you don't want to build your own get the most powerful HP Z-Series Workstation you can afford.
[Frank Stevn] "The last specification list I found is this from John Rofrano http://johnrofrano.com/post-production/pc-equiptment/hexcore-video-editing-..... but it is almost from 2 years ago."
That was purely based on VideoGuys DIY 9 which is why I suggest you check out their DIY 10.

That's the best recommendation I can make since I don't follow nor plan to buy PC hardware anymore because I've completely moved to the Mac and don't need to worry about that stuff anymore. ;-)

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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Frank Stevn
Re: best pc for Vegas Pro 13
on Oct 13, 2014 at 1:51:24 pm

Thank you John.

Why do you prefer a Mac? I think they are more expensive. And 'MS Windows 7' is a really stable OS.

Do you trust to buy a Mac in ebay?

Besides, I can't afford investing time in learning a new editing software, after years working with Vegas.

If the VideoGuys don't put the PCs together, I think I will go with the HP workstation.


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Heinrich Himmel
Re: best pc for Vegas Pro 13
on Oct 13, 2014 at 3:51:32 pm

Likely that 12 core Xeon will be about on par to current 6 core at 3.6GHz

If you are looking to build a PC for video editing at up to $3k budget, I would recommend something along the following:

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/9vP8xr
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/9vP8xr/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor ($299.99 @ Micro Center)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($28.99 @ Micro Center)
Motherboard: MSI X99S SLI Plus ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($223.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($529.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($159.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($389.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon HD 6970 2GB Video Card ($129.99 @ eBay Newegg) - I edited this one
Case: Corsair Air 540 ATX Mid Tower Case ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair 860W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($66.44 @ OutletPC)
Total: $2119.35
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-10-13 11:31 EDT-0400

If you want to save money, go for a build around AMD FX 8320 or FX 8350:

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/syGhYJ
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/syGhYJ/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($173.98 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($28.99 @ Micro Center)
Motherboard: Asus M5A99FX PRO R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($344.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($159.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.98 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon HD 6970 2GB Video Card ($129.99)
Case: Corsair Air 540 ATX Mid Tower Case ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair 860W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($66.44 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1419.31
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-10-13 11:37 EDT-0400

The AMD 8-core (or i7 4-core) will be roughly 33% slower than the hex core. The HD 6970 should cut render times in half for AVC. Most likely newer GPUs will make editing smoother but they will not accelerate rendering.


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Scott Francis
Re: best pc for Vegas Pro 13
on Oct 13, 2014 at 4:30:15 pm

For $3000 you can build an INSANE editing computer, and bypass Mac, they are good, but once you get by all the Thunderbolt adapters and connectors you will be WAY over $3000. IMHO....

Xeon processors are the best you can get (and what a Mac Pro uses), it seems that AMD GPUs are currently the best with SVP, but if you are going to use any ADOBE product as well, NVIDIA MAY be a better call, but you will need to research what works best for the Mercury engine for Adobe...

John has a great suggestion about looking on Video Guys building guides...but if you want to get the best bang for your buck, you may need to build your own or use a place that will custom build it for you...

Good luck!

Xavier (Scott) Francis
Mind's Eye Audio/Video Productions


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John Rofrano
Re: best pc for Vegas Pro 13
on Oct 13, 2014 at 4:43:02 pm

[Frank Stevn] "Why do you prefer a Mac?"
My first introduction to Mac hardware was back in 2011 when I had a two year old 2009 Lenovo Thinkpad that was lumbering along. I couldn't wait to get an upgrade. Then someone at work left and they had a 2009 MacBook Pro and it was recommended to me as an upgrade so I took it. I even transferred my extra memory from my Lenovo to it because it has the same CPU (Core 2 Duo), Memory, everything. The two laptops had the exact same specs. Much to my surprise, I couldn't believe how fast the 2009 MacBook Pro was. It was truly an upgrade to me. I run a lot of virtual machines on my laptop for work and the Thinkpad with Windows 7 could run one, maybe two before it bogged down to a crawl. I could get 4 VM's running on Mac OS X with good performance using the exact same specs. It was then that I realized that OS X was just way more efficient at memory management and multitasking than Windows 7 was and from then on I was hooked on Mac (besides it was far easier to use but that's another story). So primarily I prefer a Mac because I prefer OS X over Windows 7.

I also like the fact that Mac's are really quiet. I thought my PC was quiet and I selected the parts to make it as quiet as possible but next to my Mac Pro, my PC sounds like a jet engine. (ok, maybe not that bad but it's definitely louder) I can't even tell if my Mac Pro is on or not. This is import to me because I do software training and need to be able to record my voice while at the computer and the last thing I need is some fan screaming as the PC heats up during a demo. My Mac Pro doesn't do that.
[Frank Stevn] "I think they are more expensive."
It's a common misconception that Mac's are more expensive. Mac's are NOT more expensive. In fact, the Mac Pro has always been less expensive by about $1000 than a comparably equipped BOXX or HP Workstation. I've priced them out and done the math. Mac's just don't have a "value line" like PC's

Look at it this way: You can buy a Lenovo Thinkpad for $499 or one for $1299. Which do you think is built better? You would expect the $1299 Thinkpad to be built better than the $499 one and you'd be correct. Well... you can only buy a MacBook Pro starting at $1299 and it's a high quality build. So people say that Mac's cost more because they compare the cheap $499 laptop with a $1299 MacBook Pro and quality wise these are apples and oranges (no pun intended). But you have to compare like quality, you can't just compare specs. For example, people make the mistake of comparing display specs and say that a PC laptop and Mac laptop have the same resolution and the PC laptop is cheaper. The "real" facts are that the PC laptop may be using TFT technology and the Mac uses IPS technology and those two display technologies can't be compared because IPS panels are significantly better in quality and cost more than TFT panels. So Mac's do not cost more than comparably equipped PC's. It's just that people like buying cheap PC's and there are no cheap Macs. (except for the Mac mini which is only $599).

Also, the build quality on Mac's is incredible. I've taken my 2008 Mac Pro apart to clean it and every screw in the computer has "lock tight" on it to make sure that it doesn't loosen. Every wire is neatly routed in a flat cable against a wall to maximize air flow. It's a brilliant design and a quality build.
[Frank Stevn] "Do you trust to buy a Mac in ebay?"
I already did. I purchased a 2008 Mac Pro 8-core, 16GB, SSD + 2TB RAID 0, and ATI Radeon HD 5870 for $740 on eBay. So I bought an 8-core Mac Pro for less than the cost of my Quadro 4000 graphics card on my PC which cost me $800 alone and the ATI Radeon HD 5870 in the Mac Pro was just as fast! It is now my main editing computer. Mind you... I have a 2 year old 6-core PC that I never use because I'd rather use a 6 year old Mac Pro! I wouldn't dream of editing on a 6 year old PC.

You do have to be carful on eBay though. I bought my Mac Pro from another editor. He just wanted to sell his Mac Pro to get a new one. I sent him a few emails and he seemed legitimate so I bought it. I would stick with buying from individuals on eBay and you should be OK.

As I said, my next computer purchase will be a 12-core 2010 Mac Pro from eBay. I'm just saving up the money. They are an incredible deal when you think about it even if you bought it to run Windows.
[Frank Stevn] "Besides, I can't afford investing time in learning a new editing software, after years working with Vegas."
I understand that. It's a big jump. I wasn't suggesting that you should switch from Vegas Pro. You can run Windows 7 on Mac hardware. I have a Bootcamp partition where I run Windows 7 Pro and Vegas Pro. I was just saying that the Mac hardware is a well balanced set of components and you can even use it to run Windows if you'd like and then if you want to use OS X you can. I know it's not for everyone which is why I said if you want to build a PC check out the VideoGuys DIY 10.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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Frank Stevn
Re: best pc for Vegas Pro 13
on Oct 13, 2014 at 5:45:56 pm

Thank you all for your time!


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John Rofrano
Re: best pc for Vegas Pro 13
on Oct 13, 2014 at 9:03:07 pm

Did you decide to look into the VideoGuys DIY 10 or buy a pre-build HP Workstation, or ???

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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Frank Stevn
Re: best pc for Vegas Pro 13
on Oct 14, 2014 at 1:12:15 am

It is an important investment.
I will sleep on it for a few days. I will tell you when I make the decision.
Thanks again for your time.


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Stephen Mann
Re: best pc for Vegas Pro 13
on Oct 14, 2014 at 3:48:56 am

Years ago I hosted a Rendertest database (http://www.mmdv.com/sonyvegas/rendertest, the password is 'vegasuser')

In the same processor family, the processor clock speed ruled, but when the few users with more than the common four cores posted results, the 6 and 8 core processors were the fastest. Mac Pro's were the next fastest, but the dual-Xeons blew everyone else out of the water.

Steve Mann
MannMade Digital Video
http://www.mmdv.com


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John Rofrano
Re: best pc for Vegas Pro 13
on Oct 14, 2014 at 12:10:18 pm

[Stephen Mann] "Mac Pro's were the next fastest, but the dual-Xeons blew everyone else out of the water."
The Mac Pro's of that period use dual-Xeons. I believe this is one of the reasons why my 2008 Mac Pro is still quite usable. It has two 4 core Xeon's for 8 total cores. I rarely see the cores pegged with Vegas Pro. In benchmarks it is slower than my Core i7 6-core (which is to be expected) but for video editing GPU plays a role and it actually is sometimes faster than my 6-core because the ATI Radeon HD 5870 works better in Vegas Pro than my NVIDIA Quadro 4000. I believe the 2010 render test was before Vegas Pro had GPU acceleration so it would be a different story today based on which GPU someone was using so CPU power isn't the whole story anymore.

Speaking of GPU power... it should be pointed out that Vegas Pro uses OpenCL for timeline acceleration and ATI cards are faster at OpenCL than NVIDIA so you want an ATI Radeon card to use with Vegas Pro.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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Stephen Mann
Re: best pc for Vegas Pro 13
on Oct 14, 2014 at 2:22:26 pm

Note that the rendertest was based on Vegas 10 - before GPU support. But, I still think that the number of cores is first, followed by processor speed for Vegas bang for the buck.

Steve Mann
MannMade Digital Video
http://www.mmdv.com


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John Rofrano
Re: best pc for Vegas Pro 13
on Oct 15, 2014 at 1:10:19 pm

[Stephen Mann] "But, I still think that the number of cores is first, followed by processor speed for Vegas bang for the buck."
I'm not so sure about that. It may be processor speed and then the number of cores. I've seen all 8-cores at 20% while my timeline is stuttering to playback the video. Maybe if I had 4 more powerful cores it would be faster? I don't know. This is the great mystery. Where is the bottleneck? In order to use 8-cores you need to have 8 things you can do in parallel. If cores were more important, my Xeon 8-core 2.8 Ghz (8 x 2.8 = 22.4Ghz total) would be faster than my Core i7 6-core 3.2 Ghz (6 x 3.2 = 19.2Ghz total) but it's not. Now I realize the architecture of my Xeon and Core i7 is different so maybe this isn't a far comparison but I still think that processor speed rules over number of cores. Maybe someone has done a benchmark on like architectures that shows this.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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Stephen Mann
Re: best pc for Vegas Pro 13
on Oct 16, 2014 at 3:27:46 am

You may be right, John. The 2010 Rendertest is not really representative of today's processors. While the dual-Xeon processors blew all others out of the water, they were also the fastest processors. So which was it?

But that won't stop me from putting 8-cores in my next PC.

Steve Mann
MannMade Digital Video
http://www.mmdv.com


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John Rofrano
Re: best pc for Vegas Pro 13
on Oct 16, 2014 at 4:02:59 am

[Stephen Mann] "But that won't stop me from putting 8-cores in my next PC."
Without a doubt. Anyone who builds a new PC for video editing today with less than 8 cores is being short sighted IMHO. I've had 6 cores for over 2 years now so 8 cores would be the next step up. Like I said, I'm looking for a 12 core Mac Pro as my next upgrade.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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Scott Francis
Re: best pc for Vegas Pro 13
on Oct 18, 2014 at 3:26:01 am

Maybe I am just lucky I do my own builds...The MOST expensive I have ever built for editing was about $1700 and that would have been nowhere near a comparable Mac Pro. Again, just my experience..

As you have stated later in this thread, it seems no one really knows how Vegas uses processing. Most of us see MAYBE 50% CPU usage with stuttering preview, no clue what SVP is using and when..

Best

Xavier (Scott) Francis
Mind's Eye Audio/Video Productions


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Frank Stevn
Re: best pc for Vegas Pro 13
on Oct 18, 2014 at 12:49:15 pm

These are my current editing PC specs:

- Six-Core Intel® Core™ i7-980X 3.33GHz
- 6 x Crucial 4GB PC3-10600 1333MHz DDR3
- 1TB SATA 7200RPM - 3.5" - Seagate Barracuda 7200.12
- 450GB SATA 6.0Gbps 10000RPM - 3.5" - Western Digital VelociRaptor
- 2 x ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB GDDR5 (1xDVI, 1xDP, 1xHDMI)

I am working with this PC since 2010. It is a good PC, but I have stuttering preview in Sony Vegas if I set it to Best-Full. I have to set the preview to Best-Auto, in order to be able to edit.


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Heinrich Himmel
Re: best pc for Vegas Pro 13
on Oct 20, 2014 at 6:47:35 pm

Do NOT do a system upgrade!!! Your 980x is only maybe 30% weaker than a i7 5930!!! You are about on par with an i7 4790.

So here is what affect timeline playback:

CPU
GPU
HDD
RAM

Your RAM and CPU are more than adequate! Your GPU is WEAK and your HDD is average.

Upgrading GPU would make the most difference. For timeline playback, I believe the AMD R9 series is the best. For renders, I believe the AMD HD 6970 is best. Both are considerable upgrades to a 5770.

I recommend you spend about $250 and upgrade your GPU. I would recommend an R9 280x. This can be purchased under $250. I recommend either the Sapphire Tri-X or Gigabyte Windforce. Both have great coolers. If you like a little less on the playback, but more on the renders an HD 6970 would be around $125 and as I said, a considerable upgrade to your 5770!


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Peter Ilyk
Re: best pc for Vegas Pro 13
on Jan 19, 2015 at 12:07:49 pm

John I was interested to hear that you use a MacBook Pro and edit with Vegas Pro. Presumably this is done using the virtual Windows set up. How well does this work when using Vegas Pro 13? I am certainly tempted to change to Mac as I used it in the past (with Final Cut express) and found it quite trouble free. But I was never certain about using Vegas on Mac with something like Bootcamp. I've now become quite used to Vegas Pro and would certainly like to stick with it if it will run trouble free on a Mac Book Pro and Bootcamp. So I'd be very interested in hearing of your experience. Thanks. Peter


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John Rofrano
Re: best pc for Vegas Pro 13
on Jan 19, 2015 at 4:22:57 pm

[Peter Ilyk] "I was interested to hear that you use a MacBook Pro and edit with Vegas Pro. Presumably this is done using the virtual Windows set up. How well does this work when using Vegas Pro 13? "
I use both Bootcamp and a VMware Fusion virtual machine to run Vegas Pro 13.0 and I haven't had any problems. The limitation of a virtual machine is that you don't get GPU support. So if I'm making an edit that doesn't require a plug-in like Boris Continuum Complete (which uses OpenGL) I will just run Vegas Pro with Fusion and it works out fine. If I do need GPU support, I'll reboot using Bootcamp and at that point I'm running Windows 7 64-bit on native Intel hardware and it works just as good as it did on my PC workstation.

Since I replied to this thread back in October, I have indeed purchased a Mac Pro as I said I would. I picked up a 2010 Mac Pro 2.93 Ghz 12-Core, 24GB Memory, AMD Radeon HD 5870, 1TB boot + Apple RAID Card w/6TB RAID 5, for $2,275 on eBay. So I no longer have a PC workstation. I only have 2 Mac Pro's (12-Core & 8-Core), a MacBook Pro (4-Core), and my Mac mini (2-Core).

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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Peter Ilyk
Re: best pc for Vegas Pro 13
on Jan 20, 2015 at 9:10:06 pm

Thanks very much for replying John. That's very useful information. I may go that way myself. Cheers Peter


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John Rofrano
Re: best pc for Vegas Pro 13
on Jan 21, 2015 at 12:27:31 pm

You're welcome.

It gives you the best of both worlds. I don't have to panic when someone asks for a Apple ProRes 422 file anymore (which you can't create on a PC). I just render a high quality file in Vegas Pro and use Apple Compressor to make a ProRes file on OS X. ;-)

Good luck in whatever you decide.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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