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Neal Barlow
Catalyst Browse and Catalyst Prepare
on Sep 12, 2014 at 11:16:34 pm

So I was a little underwhelmed by this announcement. Looks like another competitor to Prelude and Bulletproof, which doesn't interest me unless it brings something new to the table. Any thoughts? Did I miss something? Will this pave the way for Vegas on Mac?

Neal Barlow
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Steve Rhoden
Re: Catalyst Browse and Catalyst Prepare
on Sep 12, 2014 at 11:24:32 pm

Dont Know!

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Neal Barlow
Re: Catalyst Browse and Catalyst Prepare
on Sep 12, 2014 at 11:25:43 pm

I guess I was just hoping for something else.

Neal Barlow
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Steve Rhoden
Re: Catalyst Browse and Catalyst Prepare
on Sep 12, 2014 at 11:27:19 pm

Likewise Neal....

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John Rofrano
Re: Catalyst Browse and Catalyst Prepare
on Sep 13, 2014 at 5:40:47 am

[Neal Barlow] "So I was a little underwhelmed by this announcement. Looks like another competitor to Prelude and Bulletproof, which doesn't interest me unless it brings something new to the table. Any thoughts? Did I miss something?"
It really depends on how big your projects are. If you are shooting a feature film or documentary and have terabytes of footage to weed through, having good media management is not an option, it's a necessity and Vegas Pro has been lacking in this capability when compared to other systems like Avid. For those of us that shoow commercials, event videos, 30 minute TV shows, it's not such a big deal because media management isn't an issue normally.
[Neal Barlow] "Will this pave the way for Vegas on Mac?"
If Sony wants to compete on the Mac, they have some catching up to do. Vegas Pro editors may not be aware of what other NLE's offer. For example: in Final Cut Pro X, when you ingest your media, you can use the original source, optionally convert it to a digital intermediary and/or create proxies, remove pulldown, analyze for color balance, classify shots depending on the people that are in them (i.e., close up, wide, medium, 2 shot, 3 shot, etc.), assign tags from folder names, create smart collections, analyze and fix audio problems like background noise, hum removal, and loudness issues, separate mono and group stereo audio, and remove silent tracks. It does all of that automatically simply by importing your media so all of this is done for me before I even start editing! This saves hours and hours of manually correcting and categorizing footage which is what you would have to do in Vegas Pro.

I guess you can't miss what you don't know but Sony is behind in this area and perhaps these tools are an attempt to catch up. I wonder if the rough cuts from Catalyst can be imported into Vegas Pro? or if these new tools are even for Vegas Pro editors to use? or just the CI cloud?

~jr

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Steve Rhoden
Re: Catalyst Browse and Catalyst Prepare
on Sep 13, 2014 at 12:28:28 pm

Good points John, And true.
Having such a feature saves a lot of time.

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Neal Barlow
Re: Catalyst Browse and Catalyst Prepare
on Sep 13, 2014 at 1:16:44 pm

I've had to come up with my log-in process through Vegas, which works for my shorter projects. I've tried Prelude a couple of times, but to be truthful I didn't really see the benefit for it unless I was going to edit in Premiere.

Just to clarify John, you really like the way Final Cut X ingests? I've haven't played with it but I run Vegas on Bootcamp so I've been tempted to try it out. - Not to hijack the thread here.

I guess we won't really know what Catalyst truly is till we see some kind of demo.

Neal Barlow
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John Rofrano
Re: Catalyst Browse and Catalyst Prepare
on Sep 13, 2014 at 10:59:56 pm

[Neal Barlow] "Just to clarify John, you really like the way Final Cut X ingests? I've haven't played with it but I run Vegas on Bootcamp so I've been tempted to try it out."
There are a lot of things I like about FCP X and ingestion is only one of them. I got really tired of using Bootcamp and VMware Fusion, mostly because I still had to deal with Windows. I just like working with native Mac apps better.

I'll tell you what I don't like about how FCP X ingests. It cannot work with AVCHD media outside of it's card folders! I find this to be quite shocking. So 90% of Vegas editors wouldn't be able to use FCP X if they shoot AVCHD and got into the bad habit of just taking the M2TS files off of the card and dragging them to their hard drive without maintaining the folder structure. This makes so sense to me and I've since started saving the entire card... so FCP X has it's quirks. (all NLE's do, you just have to find the one that is as quirky as you) lol

~jr

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Scott Francis
Re: Catalyst Browse and Catalyst Prepare
on Sep 13, 2014 at 4:38:51 pm

Sounds to me like John is jumping ship to FCPX!!!

LOL!

Xavier (Scott) Francis
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John Rofrano
Re: Catalyst Browse and Catalyst Prepare
on Sep 13, 2014 at 11:02:53 pm

[Scott Francis] "Sounds to me like John is jumping ship to FCPX!!!"
I don't look at it as "jumping ship". I have simply broadened my pallet of tools that I can draw from. ;-)

I still do all of my photo montages in Vegas Pro because FCP X has no automation tools like my VASST Ultimate S Pro. I've been looking at how to develop some but Apple doesn't have the hooks in there like Sony does. At least, I haven't found them yet.

~jr

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Neal Barlow
Re: Catalyst Browse and Catalyst Prepare
on Sep 14, 2014 at 1:50:39 am

I teach high school Video Productions and then run my own business when not at school. I've taught the kids to start on Vegas as an editor because of price point and speed of editing. So I was hoping the announcement this week was going to be some big to excite them, since I sometimes have people turn up their nose at what I teach because it's not Premiere of Final Cut.

I updated our lab to Movie Studio 13 so that the students were current, but I hate it. I'd rather go back to 11, but I wont in case students by their own version so they can work at home. So much changed in the interface between this and Pro from version 11. Like Freakishly large buttons and not being able to natively create a fade.

At the end of the day, I want students to be good editors and I hold to the belief that if a carpenter can drive a nail straight, who cares what kind of hammer they have...but I want them to also be relevant to an employer or University...

I already have a strict order for saving files and logging footage, so here's hoping that Catalyst adds to Vegas's clout.

- Thanks John for your thoughts on FCX.-

Neal Barlow
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John Rofrano
Re: Catalyst Browse and Catalyst Prepare
on Sep 14, 2014 at 9:01:34 pm

You're welcome. I assume you teach at a school filled with Windows PC's. That's unfortunate. The great thing about the Mac for budding young video editors is that iMovie comes for free and is quite a capable little NLE so all students with Mac's will have access to it. If you have an older Mac it only cost $15. It's very approachable. I don't think it's appropriate to teach young students Premiere or Final Cut. They need something more basic to just understand the concepts of great story telling and not let the tools distract them from doing that. Movie Studio or iMove are more appropriate for young editors so I think you're on the right path.

It's funny, my son is going to college for graphics design and all of the college labs have Macs. My daughter is going to college for marketing and all of the college labs have PC's. I just had to install Windows via VirtualBox on her Mac so she could run Microsoft Access. :( There really is a cultural divide when it comes to creative people and business people and the tools they use.

~jr

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Steve Rhoden
Re: Catalyst Browse and Catalyst Prepare
on Sep 15, 2014 at 8:31:48 pm

Well for me and after months of assessments on a Mac based workflow,
I'm sticking with Windows.

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Scott Francis
Re: Catalyst Browse and Catalyst Prepare
on Sep 17, 2014 at 8:47:50 pm

I have Macs at work and PC's at home/business. I have one Macbook Pro (which was provided to me) and also a Mac Mini (I bought it refurbed) as it controls and records from my Blackmagic ATEM TVS, when doing live events (bought it solely because of size!) I cannot afford a Mac for my business, as I build my own computers and can build one WAY cheaper than buying an iMac let alone a Mac Pro. I am working on learning some FCPX and also After Effects as well for work. I don't really like OSX as an OS, things just don't "make sense" to me for layout and just some really basic things (like why doesn't the + button make something go FULL SCREEN!!) But I digress, when the rubber meets the road, schools don't really "pay" for their labs, they can adjust tuition and/or taxes to pay for Apple products, those of us who run a business, money matters!!!
With that said, John, I get having a good work palette to pull from is essential!!

Best

Xavier (Scott) Francis
Mind's Eye Audio/Video Productions


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