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Scott Francis
Best software to re-encode for Vegas to use
on Aug 26, 2014 at 5:41:07 pm

Hey All,

I am working with some footage from an ATEM TV studio and have had playback issues within Vegas due to Vegas not quite knowing how to handle the media files. John R. and a couple others have helped me to understand some of the issues, however I need to re-encode/mux them to work in Vegas better, anyone have any ideas as to what would be the best to use, Avidemux was suggested, but I am having issues understanding how it works, also, another person sent me some other stuff to use, but it resized the video slightly...
In any case, I looked at Cineform, but that appears to be part of Gopro now, and doesn't seem to like the files as well, what else can I use...all help is greatly appreciated, and I am in a little time crunch.

Thanks guys!!!

Xavier (Scott) Francis
Mind's Eye Audio/Video Productions


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Dave Osbun
Re: Best software to re-encode for Vegas to use
on Aug 26, 2014 at 9:22:35 pm

Have you tried using Handbrake? I used it once and it worked well. Plus, it's free!

Dave


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Scott Francis
Re: Best software to re-encode for Vegas to use
on Aug 26, 2014 at 10:36:39 pm

Thanks Dave,
I use handbrake all the time, but the encoders are more for smaller size than quality.

Xavier (Scott) Francis
Mind's Eye Audio/Video Productions


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Norman Black
Re: Best software to re-encode for Vegas to use
on Aug 27, 2014 at 3:32:34 am

[Scott Francis] "I use handbrake all the time, but the encoders are more for smaller size than quality."

I gotta disagree there. x264 is about the best video encoder out there. Quality or size. Whatever you are going for. Audio is more problematic with Handbrake as no PCM output option is available.

Of course one may not want to edit AVC/H.264 video as it can be slower. Encoding to Baseline profile solves that.


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John Rofrano
Re: Best software to re-encode for Vegas to use
on Aug 27, 2014 at 3:06:58 am

[Scott Francis] " Avidemux was suggested, but I am having issues understanding how it works"
I believe I may have suggested it and I usually only suggest something after I've tried it myself and seen that it works. Why don't you explain the issue you are having understanding how it works and we'll help you understand it. Also if you can point me to the original thread so I can read what I suggested that would be helpful to.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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Scott Francis
Re: Best software to re-encode for Vegas to use
on Aug 27, 2014 at 12:27:15 pm

Here is the original post:
http://forums.creativecow.net/thread/24/977114#977231

Two odd things, Blackmagic ATEM records to 1920x1088 instead of 1080, and when I bring it into Vegas, it plays back at lower frame rates. Not very user friendly for editing.
I tried EZ Encoder lossless, and it works/edits better, but Vegas than sees it as non-standard (1920x1088), where as it see the original file as 1920x1080...I know John said something about flags in the metadata and Vegas not having all it needs for using the MOV wrapped in a MP4 properly, so I don't understand why the original file is seen as standard 1080p yet the lossless version is seen as 1088.
Cineform is part of GoPro now, at least from my searching, and that program doesn't like the files either, and I don't understand how to use Avidemux for re-encoding to another file format.
I also use another HD hardware encoder called Avermedia and the footage is ALMOST as good, but I would like to resolve the ATEM issue if possible.
My results with Handbrake (and I use it a TON), are diminished video quality, at least for me, unacceptable at this stage in editing..

And as of course, after 2 emails and no reply from Blackmagic, I don' think they are interested in the problem.

Thanks again so much for all your help!!

Xavier (Scott) Francis
Mind's Eye Audio/Video Productions


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Norman Black
Re: Best software to re-encode for Vegas to use
on Aug 27, 2014 at 5:12:19 pm

I looked at the original thread and downloaded the file you uploaded and here is a screen shot of using avidemux to convert the QT MOV file to a generic MP4, which Vegas uses its own internal decoders.

I verified that with the original file Vegas was using Quicktime, and the file output from Avidemux, Vegas used its own internal decoders. In theory you should get a little better performance from the internal decoders.

No transcoding was done. The source media video and audio was simply re-muxed.



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John Rofrano
Re: Best software to re-encode for Vegas to use
on Aug 28, 2014 at 1:41:18 am

As Norman points out, set the video to COPY and the audio to COPY and the format to MP4 and press Save and it will remux the file in a few seconds and it will play fine in Vegas Pro after that. Here are the steps again:



~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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Scott Francis
Re: Best software to re-encode for Vegas to use
on Aug 30, 2014 at 5:07:11 pm

Thanks SO MUCH for your help with this guys!!!

I really appreciate the help, for some reason I couldn't wrap my head around how that program worked!!

Again, best to you both and so glad you all are on here!!

Xavier (Scott) Francis
Mind's Eye Audio/Video Productions


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Scott Francis
Re: Best software to re-encode for Vegas to use
on Aug 30, 2014 at 5:38:41 pm

One other thing, is there a way to do this in a batch? I have like 100 files to re-mux..

Thanks again!

Xavier (Scott) Francis
Mind's Eye Audio/Video Productions


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Scott Francis
Re: Best software to re-encode for Vegas to use
on Aug 30, 2014 at 6:49:38 pm

Found another question, Vegas is seeing this a 1920x1088 now instead of 1920x1080 as it did prior to re-muxing. I found this really odd. In windows, it sees both files as 1920x1088, in Vegas the un-re-muxed file is seen as 1920x1080 but the remux is 1920x1088...

Any thoughts?

Xavier (Scott) Francis
Mind's Eye Audio/Video Productions


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John Rofrano
Re: Best software to re-encode for Vegas to use
on Aug 31, 2014 at 10:09:00 am

[Scott Francis] "Vegas is seeing this a 1920x1088 now instead of 1920x1080 as it did prior to re-muxing. "
I'm not seeing this. I used AviDemux 2.6 64-bit using the COPY, COPY, MP4 MUXER, settings and Vegas Pro sees the file as 1080.

Here is what MediaInfo says:
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 20.2 Mbps
Writing application : Lavf54.63.104

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.0
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 2 frames
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 31s 122ms
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 20.0 Mbps
Maximum bit rate : 39.0 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Original height : 1 088 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Original display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.321
Stream size : 74.1 MiB (99%)

Audio
ID : 2
Format : AAC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
Format profile : LC
Codec ID : 40
Duration : 31s 104ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 253 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 962 KiB (1%)
Language : unk

QuickTime Player also shows it as 1920x1080. Notice that MediaInfo says Original height : 1 088 pixels so maybe it was captured at 1088 but the MP4 file from both Vegas Pro 13.0 and AviDemux 2.6 says 1080 on my Windows 7 computer.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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Scott Francis
Re: Best software to re-encode for Vegas to use
on Sep 1, 2014 at 6:15:28 pm

This was totally my fault, I selected a file that was created by Ezencoder and not the original. The original worked fine!! Sorry for any confusion.
One last thing, any type of batch conversion in Avidemux?

Thanks so much again!!

Xavier (Scott) Francis
Mind's Eye Audio/Video Productions


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John Rofrano
Re: Best software to re-encode for Vegas to use
on Sep 1, 2014 at 9:15:52 pm

[Scott Francis] "One last thing, any type of batch conversion in Avidemux?"
Unfortunately no. You would have to convert them one at a time. :(

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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Scott Francis
Re: Best software to re-encode for Vegas to use
on Sep 2, 2014 at 12:37:16 am

Thanks again for all your help John, I guess I will have a little work cut out for me then!!

Best!

Xavier (Scott) Francis
Mind's Eye Audio/Video Productions


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John Rofrano
Re: Best software to re-encode for Vegas to use
on Sep 2, 2014 at 2:20:59 am

[Scott Francis] "I guess I will have a little work cut out for me then!!"
Yea, if you had Mac you could use Compressor to batch render these. If Adobe Media Encoder can read them you could do the same on the PC. Of course if you had a Mac you could just edit them in Final Cut Pro X without any re-encoding because the original file edits smoothly in FCP X (which I find myself using a lot these days). It's just too bad Vegas Pro can't handle them. :(

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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Scott Francis
Re: Best software to re-encode for Vegas to use
on Sep 2, 2014 at 12:38:43 pm

I have a Mac as well, and both Compressor and Media encoder. However, re-muxing takes way shorter time than either of those for the length of some of the clips (2 hrs).
Thanks again for all your help!

Xavier (Scott) Francis
Mind's Eye Audio/Video Productions


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John Rofrano
Re: Best software to re-encode for Vegas to use
on Sep 3, 2014 at 12:03:57 pm

Yea, if remixing works for you then that is definitely the best approach. Not only for time savings but for quality savings as well. Glad I could help.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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