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michael hayes
Another codec question: WinFF (or other transcode options) from Apple ProRes?
on Aug 22, 2014 at 7:53:16 pm

Like above, I've got a bunch of footage from someone's FinalCut rig (best I can determine it's DVC8 or some such in a .mov container.

Won't import into Vegas. I used WinFF to transcode it into a few formats, DV seems to work but there's not a lot of options there, and it's SD from what I can tell and not HD. There's no MPEG2 options in WinFF I can find so I'm trying to figure the best format to convert to for Vegas editing. Also, is a better transcoder than WinFF exists (which uses FFmpeg as its engine btw)


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Norman Black
Re: Another codec question: WinFF (or other transcode options) from Apple ProRes?
on Aug 23, 2014 at 1:18:43 am

You might look at Cliptoolz convert. It is a ffmbc frontend utility. There are a number of ffmpeg/ffmbc GUI front ends out there.

It may be more work, to learn the options, but you can use ffmpeg directly. The sky is the limit there. Everything is available to you.

You might be able to use the free GoPro studio to convert to Cineform and edit that. The free GP Studio does not read everything but Cineform is an easy edit.

Are the source files ProRes as stated in your message title? ProRes should edit in Vegas. Most MOV should as well but you need Quicktime installed. If they are ProRes, then you will want to convert to some other type of high quality intermediate.

If not an intermediate format, then an mpeg-2 format like HDCAM MXF, or HDCAM EX, should be an easy edit.


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John Rofrano
Re: Another codec question: WinFF (or other transcode options) from Apple ProRes?
on Aug 23, 2014 at 9:50:16 pm

[michael hayes] "Like above, I've got a bunch of footage from someone's FinalCut rig (best I can determine it's DVC8 or some such in a .mov container."
You'll need to be a little more accurate than that. Can you open the file in the QuickTime Player? If so, use Ctrl+I to open the inspector and tell us what codecs the video uses. If it's DV video then converting it to DV is your best choice. You may even be able rewrap the DV in an AVI container using a free tools like AviDemux. This will have no loss in quality because it will just take the DV video from the QuickTime container and copy it unaltered into a AVI container.

~jr

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michael hayes
Re: Another codec question: WinFF (or other transcode options) from Apple ProRes?
on Aug 24, 2014 at 6:58:32 am

Ah okay, further investigation reveals it's in XDCAm HD. some research indicates that it won't open in Vegas as long as it's in a .mov wrapper. Is there any easy conversion format to get it into an .avi wrapper? I just got a license for Cliptoolz Convert if that will do it, just a little fuzzy on its unusual interface.


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John Rofrano
Re: Another codec question: WinFF (or other transcode options) from Apple ProRes?
on Aug 24, 2014 at 10:47:10 am

[michael hayes] "Ah okay, further investigation reveals it's in XDCAm HD. some research indicates that it won't open in Vegas as long as it's in a .mov wrapper."
XDCAM HD is written to optical disc much like Blu-ray and it you import XDCAM HD into Vegas Pro using the XDCAM Explorer. I realize you don't have the original discs but I'm just letting you know how XDCAM HD was intended to be used with Vegas Pro.
[michael hayes] "Is there any easy conversion format to get it into an .avi wrapper?"
You don't want it in an AVI wrapper either. XDCAM HD should be in an MXF or MP4 wrapper to be used by Vegas Pro. This is what the XDCAM Explorer does for you but it won't work without the original optical disc.
[michael hayes] "I just got a license for Cliptoolz Convert if that will do it, just a little fuzzy on its unusual interface."
I've never used this tool but you want to create an MXF or MP4 file with it. Not AVI!

~jr

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michael hayes
Re: Another codec question: WinFF (or other transcode options) from Apple ProRes?
on Aug 26, 2014 at 5:19:34 pm

Grrr, well Cliptoolz doesn't seem to do it. Also tried the Content Browser from Sony (used to be the XDCAM Explorer) and that doesn't recognized the files. Vegas's own XDCAM utility doesn't mount them either. Eesh, what a pain!


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John Rofrano
Re: Another codec question: WinFF (or other transcode options) from Apple ProRes?
on Aug 28, 2014 at 12:41:21 am

[michael hayes] "Vegas's own XDCAM utility doesn't mount them either. Eesh, what a pain!"
That's because they are no longer in their native XDCAM format. The video has already been converted to a QuickTime container which Vegas Pro isn't expecting.

You need to get the original XDCAM files or get a Mac. If you are working regularly with other Mac editors, that is the best solution. Otherwise ask them not to ingest the video to QuickTime because you don't have a Mac and can't use it in that format on a PC.

~jr

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http://www.vasst.com



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Mike Kujbida
Re: Another codec question: WinFF (or other transcode options) from Apple ProRes?
on Aug 28, 2014 at 12:47:49 pm

This is a long shot but Convergent Design has a piece of software on their site called File Converter - XDCAM .MOV to .MXF (PC) (it converts XDCAM EX/XDCAM 422 Quicktime .MOV to .MXF) that may be helpful.
You can find it part way down this page.

https://odyssey7q.com/nanoflash-downloads.html


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John Rofrano
Re: Another codec question: WinFF (or other transcode options) from Apple ProRes?
on Aug 29, 2014 at 11:25:57 am

Good find Mike. That may actually work if he had a Mac to run it on. ;-)

I have several Mac's and I'd be happy to test this on a file if the Michael Hayes wants to send me one via DropBox or something.

~jr

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Mike Kujbida
Re: Another codec question: WinFF (or other transcode options) from Apple ProRes?
on Aug 29, 2014 at 11:38:49 am

John, there is a version of the software that is meant for a PC user.
I can't remember if it was this or another site but I recommended it and the person who tried it was successful. As I said, it's worth a shot.


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John Rofrano
Re: Another codec question: WinFF (or other transcode options) from Apple ProRes?
on Aug 29, 2014 at 12:34:44 pm

Ah, OK. I downloaded the Mac version and didn't see a PC link. That would be great for others if there was a PC version too.

~jr

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http://www.vasst.com



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