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Jeff Bauer
Radeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jul 23, 2014 at 4:00:31 am

Anyone out there using the Radeon R9 290 or 290X to edit and render in Pro 13 to AVC Blu Ray 1920x1080 16 Mbps? If so, how is the card preforming for edit previews and render times?

Thanks in advance,

Jeff Bauer
Aspiring Amateur


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David Norman
Re: Radeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jul 25, 2014 at 12:37:58 am

I have the 290 in my 3770 i7 rig and I will need to use that specific codec to render for you. ill try later tonight. For most renders for things like YouTube i use CPU only for the fastest results... GPU acceleration works for transitions, supported video effects and 3rd party plugins... most of my edits dont have much of those to be honest.

Dell XPS 15" 9350 i7, 512gb SSD, Nvidia 750m
Intel i7 4770, R9 290, 32gb, 2xRAID0 Intel 240gb SSD, 2x2TB WD Green, 3x23" Samsung LCDs
http://youtube.com/adidas4275


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John Rofrano
Re: Radeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jul 25, 2014 at 12:57:23 am

[David Norman] "GPU acceleration works for transitions, supported video effects and 3rd party plugins..."
Yea, this is key to understand: Timeline GPU acceleration should work great with newer cards. It's only the MainConcept encoders that only support the older GPUs.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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Jeff Bauer
Re: Radeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jul 25, 2014 at 1:40:27 pm

Dave,

I really appreciate you taking the time to run a test. It sounds like you have a very nice computer for editing. I have heard a lot of good things about that video card so I will be anxious to see the results. I think John Rofrano created a 15 second test file that exercises would take advantage of the GPU.

Jeff


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Jeff Bauer
Re: Radeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Sep 29, 2014 at 1:40:25 am

David,

Who made the R9 290 you have? Do you think it matters?

Jeff


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David Norman
Re: Radeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jul 26, 2014 at 7:53:47 am
Last Edited By David Norman on Jul 26, 2014 at 7:55:50 am




Okay i got my 3930k rig built and working tonight with the R9 290 and I am rendering one of my wedding videos that is 10 mins long with 1080p 24fps high bit rate content.

If i render it with the mainconcept codec 1080p internet video 30p it pegs the CPU at 100% and uses no GPU. Render time is about 20 mins.

If i render it in the AVC Blu-Ray 16Mbps 24fps it is going to take about 11 mins. This is on par with the XVAC codec with similar bit-rate.

It is only using 60% of the CPU and fluctuates between 16%-70% GPU activity..... and 19gb of RAM :)

SSDs are not the bottleneck... I think the hardware is faster than the codec's implementation with Sony Vegas here. I see no bottleneck and it isnt pegging the GPU or CPU..... disk read/writes are negligible and given that i am reading from a intel 520 SSD and writing to another intel 520 SSD I know that isnt the issue...

ill try and find that other file you are talking about and post my results here.... it isnt going to be until Monday night or Tuesday. It is my anniversary on Saturday and I will not be in town

Dell XPS 15" 9350 i7, 512gb SSD, Nvidia 750m
Intel i7 4770, R9 290, 32gb, 2xRAID0 Intel 240gb SSD, 2x2TB WD Green, 3x23" Samsung LCDs
http://youtube.com/adidas4275


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Jeff Bauer
Re: Radeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jul 26, 2014 at 9:36:00 pm

David,

First of all congratulations on your anniversary! These are awesome results thank you so much running the test! 11 minutes to render a 10 minute video at 1080p. I don’t think it gets much better than that. That is a nice set up you have.

I believe you can find John’s test file here: http://f1.creativecow.net/7248/vegas-pro-120-gpu-render-test-project

The thread that has other benchmarks with this file can be found here: http://forums.creativecow.net/thread/24/975715#976179

By the way I like your aerial videos. What are you using to get those?

Jeff


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John Rofrano
Re: Radeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jul 27, 2014 at 11:59:02 am

Yea, congratulations on your anniversary! Interested in seeing your timing results.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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David Norman
Re: Radeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jul 28, 2014 at 2:01:25 am

thanks for the link and ill run the test tomorrow afternoon. I did just buy a 290x tri-x to see if i can get a little more eyefinity gaming performance but i dont think it will really do much for render times. That wont be in my possession until the end of the week

My aerial stuff was shot on a handful of custom built rigs.... some quads, some Y6's and a flax hex. I havent flown in about a year (since my son was born).... i am looking at getting a DJI prebuilt for ease and flying a gopro... I enjoyed building and learning about rc stuff but i just dont have the same amount of time.

thanks for the compliments and ill post results tomorrow

Dell XPS 15" 9350 i7, 512gb SSD, Nvidia 750m
Intel i7 4770, R9 290, 32gb, 2xRAID0 Intel 240gb SSD, 2x2TB WD Green, 3x23" Samsung LCDs
http://youtube.com/adidas4275


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David Norman
Re: Radeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jul 29, 2014 at 4:11:17 am

okay I ran the test video from John and here are my results.

Timeline playback with GPU on/off was at 29.97fps best full

Sony AVC internet 1080 30p CPU = 00:15
Sony AVC internet 1080 30p GPU = 00:15

MainConcept AVC CPU = 00:26
MainConcept AVC GPU = 00:26

but I didnt see much GPU utilization.

Interesting that in John's post he has the opposite results in terms of codecs and speed. His showed MainConcept being much faster than Sony's


something else is different here. john has the 3930k in his rig ans was posting render times around 1:00

I have it set on best full and know how to enable and disable GPU acceleration in the timeline as well as in the render as screen.

hmm....

Dell XPS 15" 9350 i7, 512gb SSD, Nvidia 750m
Intel i7 4770, R9 290, 32gb, 2xRAID0 Intel 240gb SSD, 2x2TB WD Green, 3x23" Samsung LCDs
http://youtube.com/adidas4275


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John Rofrano
Re: Radeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jul 29, 2014 at 12:43:49 pm

[David Norman] "Timeline playback with GPU on/off was at 29.97fps best full "
That's odd because I didn't think the CPU was capable of playing that project back at 29.97. Are you sure that your RAM Preview is set to the default 200MB? It's important that you are measuring raw speed and not cached frames. Maybe try setting go to zero? I got 0.5fps with GPU acceleration turned off... how can you get 29.97?
[David Norman] "Interesting that in John's post he has the opposite results in terms of codecs and speed. His showed MainConcept being much faster than Sony's"
The difference is that I'm using an older Radeon HD 5870 that MainConcept AVC supports and you are using a newer Radeon R9 290 that, as we suspected, is not supported. So you have confirmed that the newer Radeon cards don't make any difference in encoding speed with MainConcept AVC.

Also the Sony encoder did not show any difference for me either with OpenCL so that's consistent but very strange.

Thanks for testing.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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David Norman
Re: adeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jul 29, 2014 at 3:47:52 pm

I will double check ram preview and run it again a little later today.

Dell XPS 15" 9350 i7, 512gb SSD, Nvidia 750m
Intel i7 3930K, R9 290, 32gb, 2xRAID0 Intel 240gb SSD, 2x2TB WD Green, 3x23" Samsung LCDs
http://youtube.com/adidas4275


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David Norman
Re: adeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jul 29, 2014 at 5:46:29 pm

okay I just did "default all" in the preferences to make sure everything is back to stock...

MainConcept 1080p CPU = 1:11
MainConcept 1080p GPU (OCed) = 00:23
MainConcept 1080p GPU = 00:26

Sony AVC CPU = 0.58
Sony AVC GPU (OCed) = 00:15
Sony AVC GPU (OCed) = 00:15

Both done on best full
Timeline playback CPU = 00.617 fps
Timeline playback GPU = 29.970 fps


So you are right, i must have had a ram preview stored or something that was being used in the other tests.

thanks for helping me figure that out. Nice to see the R9 290 actually does something :)

Dell XPS 15" 9350 i7, 512gb SSD, Nvidia 750m
Intel i7 3930K, R9 290, 32gb, 2xRAID0 Intel 240gb SSD, 2x2TB WD Green, 3x23" Samsung LCDs
http://youtube.com/adidas4275


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John Rofrano
Re: adeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jul 30, 2014 at 1:00:03 am

[David Norman] "Nice to see the R9 290 actually does something :)"
Yea, and those are interesting result because it seems to indicate that MainConcept AVC is taking advantage of your GPU. That's not what I expected but that's a really pleasant surprise.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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David Norman
Re: adeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jul 30, 2014 at 1:08:11 am

Yeah it definitely did. Was very clearly. I did it multiple times with even a restart in between just to double check

Dell XPS 15" 9350 i7, 512gb SSD, Nvidia 750m
Intel i7 3930K, R9 290, 32gb, 2xRAID0 Intel 240gb SSD, 2x2TB WD Green, 3x23" Samsung LCDs
http://youtube.com/adidas4275


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Jeff Bauer
Re: adeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jul 30, 2014 at 1:55:00 pm

Very interesting. Thank you David for taking the time to get these results!! Glad to see that a current video card can actually make a difference on all of the CODEC’s.

Would it also be fair to conclude that having a powerful processor and lots of RAM reduces the importance of the GPU? Or are the results too dependent on the video being processed to draw any conclusions along those lines?

Jeff


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David Norman
Re: adeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jul 30, 2014 at 5:11:26 pm

From my experience it really depends on your edits.

This test had GPU accelerated effects in the whole clip, something I generally don't have.

I might have 1-3 GPU accelerated transitions or effects

I am finishing a wedding video and I have 0 GPU ade pendant clips.

I notice no difference in render times or timeline playback with GPU enabled/disabled.

This is why I moved from my 3770 to a 3930 for 6 cores, which makes a huge difference (about 30% faster on renders)

Someone else can chime in, but bottom line is the more 3rd party plugins you use with GPU effects the most valuable a GPU is

Dell XPS 15" 9350 i7, 512gb SSD, Nvidia 750m
Intel i7 3930K, R9 290, 32gb, 2xRAID0 Intel 240gb SSD, 2x2TB WD Green, 3x23" Samsung LCDs
http://youtube.com/adidas4275


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John Rofrano
Re: adeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jul 31, 2014 at 2:12:28 am

[David Norman] "Someone else can chime in, but bottom line is the more 3rd party plugins you use with GPU effects the most valuable a GPU is"
Absolutely! All of my edits get color graded so I always have at least Levels, Color Corrector, and Color Curves for the duration of the timeline, so GPU acceleration is very important to me.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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David Norman
Re: adeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jul 31, 2014 at 4:04:32 am

yeah i am showing my ignorance... i know all my stuff should be color graded as well..... just need to put the time in to learn how and why to do it.

good point!

Dell XPS 15" 9350 i7, 512gb SSD, Nvidia 750m
Intel i7 3930K, R9 290, 32gb, 2xRAID0 Intel 240gb SSD, 2x2TB WD Green, 3x23" Samsung LCDs
http://youtube.com/adidas4275


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John Rofrano
Re: adeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jul 31, 2014 at 11:09:07 am

[David Norman] " just need to put the time in to learn how and why to do it."
If you open your video scopes and view the waveform monitor, you'll notice that all cameras shoot out of range. So you place Sony Levels on the track and adjust it to bring the lumanence between 0 - 100. Then you noticed that by doing this, the picture looks washed out so you add Sony Color Curves with a gentle "S" curve to slightly crush the blacks and whites and give it more contrast and a "film like" gamma response. Finally you realize that it's missing a little saturation so you insert Sony Color Corrector in between the two and boost the saturation just a bit. Now it looks more like what you are use to seeing on TV. So Levels -> Color Corrector -> Color Curves are a preset chain that I always apply and adjust as needed on all my projects to give them the look I want. It makes the image "pop". ;-)

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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David Norman
Re: adeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jul 31, 2014 at 3:28:39 pm

Thanks! I will definitely use this while attempting to grade!

Dell XPS 15" 9350 i7, 512gb SSD, Nvidia 750m
Intel i7 3930K, R9 290, 32gb, 2xRAID0 Intel 240gb SSD, 2x2TB WD Green, 3x23" Samsung LCDs
http://youtube.com/adidas4275


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David Norman
Re: adeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Aug 1, 2014 at 8:44:19 am

just installed the 290x and it is basically the same results in this particular test. All GPU scores are within 1 second of the 290. I havent OCed the 290x yet so we might see some minor gains.

It is possible that with longer content the different would be magnified.

Dell XPS 15" 9350 i7, 512gb SSD, Nvidia 750m
Intel i7 3930K, R9 290, 32gb, 2xRAID0 Intel 240gb SSD, 2x2TB WD Green, 3x23" Samsung LCDs
http://youtube.com/adidas4275


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John Rofrano
Re: adeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Aug 1, 2014 at 12:13:55 pm

[David Norman] "It is possible that with longer content the different would be magnified."
Yes, if it's shaving off seconds, then on longer content all those seconds could add up to minutes saved.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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John Norton
Re: adeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jan 10, 2015 at 8:18:48 pm

Hi John, this result doesn't correlate with the previously held belief about older graphics cards only being able to use the Mainconcept for file renders and leveraging acceleration.

I can see in your own response a bit of surprise also.

Is it possible that version 13 has changed all of that?


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John Rofrano
Re: adeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jan 10, 2015 at 10:49:16 pm

I would like to see someone else get the same results because no one else has seen the new graphics cards work with MainConcept AVC. I don't know if David turned off GPU Acceleration of the timeline as well and perhaps that was the reason. The only true way to test is to only change the render options from CPU Only to GPU and nothing else. To my knowledge, Vegas Pro 13.0 has not change this. It's the same old MainConcept AVC encoder.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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John Norton
Re: adeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jan 10, 2015 at 11:00:36 pm

Thanks for that, I agree, further tests with newer graphics cards and SV 13 would nail this one way or the other.


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Sorin Nicu
Re: adeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jan 11, 2015 at 1:57:32 am
Last Edited By Sorin Nicu on Jan 11, 2015 at 2:15:05 am

Can you try using the GPU-Z (you don't even have to install it) to see the actual GPU utilization during rendering.

I have a HD 7970 (re-badged now as R9 280X) and it is not used at all in MainConcept encoding. It detects "OpenCL" in system, runs at 25% at beginning and after that, just short bursts (probably because real-time display).

What it uses it slightly, is the Sony encoder.

0_mainconcept_hd7970.jpg
sony_hd7970.jpg


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Sergio Cipri
Re: adeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jan 19, 2015 at 6:34:49 pm

Agree.
SONY VEGAS PRO 13 with the same GPU (two AMD R9 290 running in Crossfire mode). Sony claims "dramatic" improvements against the "CPU only". NOT true, as confirmed by GPUTweak monitor.
I started my 4K adventure with a SONY FDR-AX1 camera, configured a powerful workstation for editing with VEGAS and what I'm experiencing is that the two GPU are completely useless.
Hoping in a quick new release that fixes the problem.

Sergio


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John Rofrano
Re: adeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jan 19, 2015 at 9:42:06 pm

[Sergio Cipri] "SONY VEGAS PRO 13 with the same GPU (two AMD R9 290 running in Crossfire mode). Sony claims "dramatic" improvements against the "CPU only". NOT true, as confirmed by GPUTweak monitor."
Where does Sony claim that they support Crossfire mode because I don't believe that they do.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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Sergio Cipri
Re: adeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jan 20, 2015 at 10:54:21 am

Sorry. I was not clear in my post. What is not true is the improvement in performance of Vegas Pro 13 when "GPU acceleration on video processing" is selected in VIDEO Preferencies.
"Crossfire" was mentioned as information about my workstation configuration.

Any suggestion about my video cards setting in order to activate the "GPU acceleration" are gratefully welcomed

Thanks in adavance
Sergio


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John Rofrano
Re: adeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jan 22, 2015 at 12:33:43 pm

[Sergio Cipri] " What is not true is the improvement in performance of Vegas Pro 13 when "GPU acceleration on video processing" is selected in VIDEO Preferencies. "
That's not my experience. I've already posted my results of GPU acceleration and it dramatically improves playback for supported cards. You can download my test project here and see for yourself:

7248_rendertestjr.veg.zip

The purpose of this test is to measure the difference between GPU acceleration for both timeline playback and rendering. The project is 15 seconds long. It has two tracks:. The lower track contains a Generated Media NTSC Color Bars that rotates 360 degrees in 15 seconds. The upper track had Generated Media Noise Texture with the Progress animated so that it would move. I added Sony Bump Map and Sony Glow (both GPU accelerated FX) to the noise texture and the composite level of the event was dropped to 60% so that the rotating colors bars would show through. Compositing random movement ensures that ever frame would need to be rendered during the test. This project requires Vegas Pro 12.0 to open.

Try playing it with GPU Acceleration on and off to see the difference. Note: You need to restart Vegas Pro when turning GPU acceleration on and off.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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Sorin Nicu
Re: adeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jan 23, 2015 at 3:05:57 am

John, what makes the difference between your result sand ours is that your test has GPU-accelerated effects. Those use the OpenCL (or CUDA) with the newer video cards (like R290).
But the actual encoding is not accelerated with them.

I think is ridiculous that Sony doesn't do anything about this. Today nVidia released GTX960 with Maxwell 2 core, and it has full hardware HVEC / h265 encoding and decoding included. When it will be included in Vegas? At present development speed, I would say... 4 more years?


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John Rofrano
Re: adeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jan 23, 2015 at 1:35:02 pm

[Sorin Nicu] "what makes the difference between your result sand ours is that your test has GPU-accelerated effects. Those use the OpenCL (or CUDA) with the newer video cards (like R290)."
Just to be correct, Sony does not use CUDA to accelerate timeline playback. It only uses OpenCL which is why ATI Radeon's work better than NVIDIA GeForce because the Geforce cards are forced to use their OpenCL implementation which pales in comparison to the Radeon's. This is why we recommend Radeon for Vegas Pro timeline GPU Acceleration.

Also almost all of my projects use Levels, Color Corrector, and Color Curves (all GPU accelerated FX) on all of the video tracks so having GPU accelerated FX is really important to my workflow. It significantly reduces render times by processing the timeline faster even if for codecs that don't have encoding acceleration.
[Sorin Nicu] "But the actual encoding is not accelerated with them."
Apparently not. The Sony AVC encoder seems to be minimally affected by GPU acceleration even with my Radeon HD 5870 which is old enough to work with the MainConcept AVC encoder. I don't know why this is.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
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Sorin Nicu
Re: adeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jan 19, 2015 at 11:21:08 pm

Sony claims that supports OpenCL. That would take care of editing and your two GPU should be used in that mode (but not in crossfire, that's for games only).
However, in my experience, the actual encoding process doesn't make use efficiently of the latest AMD (or nVidia) GPU's.
Not sure who's blame it is.
MainConcept encoder was top of the line in 2010. But it wasn't updated since.
However, since then, nVidia and AMD released some new hardware encoders and associated code for them - which Sony ignored completely.
Their updates are far and in between, no real feedback to community (it's a wasteland there)... Last software update in 11/2014.

I am using in parallel CybeLink's NLE and sadly they are much more on top of their game. They release updates, beta fixes, listen to their forums... And we are talking of even 4K hardware accelerated encoding here!


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Sergio Cipri
Re: adeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jan 20, 2015 at 4:55:07 pm

Following your post, I've disabled the Crossfire function. Guess that the AMD work in OpenCl mode without setting specific parameters (that I did not find anywere).
The result is the same: some nomadic call to the card (duration few seconds).

Anyway, I understand from your notes that SONY is late, or - worse - not interested in updating its software in order to take advantage of the new video cards. Frustrating.

Sergio


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Michael Chick
Re: adeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jun 16, 2015 at 4:41:43 pm

Hi, I was following your discussion, and came across this comment from Sony's website:
"...The GTX570/580 will get you the best render performance for the two codecs I mentioned above.
A HD6970 or HD7950 will be almost as fast but also provide better timeline performance with 3rd party plug ins.
A R9 290/290X will give you the best timeline performance but the Mainconcept AVC and Sony AVC codecs don't support it and your render speed will be as fast as CPU only. On the other hand, MPEG2 encoding is very fast with these cards..."
Taken from here:
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/Forums/ShowMessage.asp?Forum=4&MessageI...

I'm looking to buy a new display card, as my ASUS GTX460 is ready to "give up the ghost". I'm using older equipment, which is the i7-860, 16Gb RAM, and a P7P55D LE. Can any of you hardware-guru's please help point me in the correct direction?
I'm contemplating between the
SAPPHIRE R9 280 Dual-X 3GB DDR5 384 -bit, the
SAPPHIRE TRI-X R9 290 4GB DDR5 512 -bit/ and the
SAPPHIRE R9 270X TOXIC 2GB GDDR5 256BIT

Based on spec, the Tri-X looks like the highest spec, but has anyone tried these cards, and what would you recommend? Thank You all for your time.


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Aaron Star
Re: adeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jun 16, 2015 at 7:51:59 pm

The 5770, 6970, 7970, R9 270x would probably be your best match for an i7-860. The 860 memory bandwidth, and CPU will not likely keep up with the 290x. That is not to say you will not see benefits over what you have. The older cards come with benefit of still supporting the MC mp4 encoder, but most either just output Sony AVC or use Handbrake.

On the P55 make sure your GPU slot is running at x16 with GPU-z. USB3 turbo mode on my p55 system steals lanes from the x16 slot dropping it to 8x. With overheads on PCIe, you want the maximum connectivity to your GPU.

Also make sure your RAM is operating at the fastest profile your motherboard supports. In the p55 case ddr3 1333 or PC3-10600. I also believe in 32GB RAM for the windows cache and running background instances of Vegas. Speccy can help determine some of this. RAM timing matter, but I find quantity is often times better performance than less RAM of low latency.

Make sure to uninstall the NVidia driver software before pulling the card, and get the systems back to the windows default driver. Reboot and run CCleaner, shutdown again, then pull the Nvidia card and install the AMD card/drivers.

Luxmark v2 is a good benchmark test for OpenCL, and verifying that your system is working well with opencl.

GPU-z and AMD system monitor are good tools to verify GPU utilization during timeline playback. Test Sony AVC, XDCAM, HDCAM-SR-lite, and XAVC media with effects to verify GPU acceleration in Vegas. Other workflows you will need to determine where the GPU acceleration problems are.

Upgrading over all from the 860 will give you the most bang for the buck. The 4th Gen i7 has improved instruction sets, more memory bandwidth, and PCIe 3 that has more bandwidth and less overhead (means more useable bandwidth.)


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John Rofrano
Re: adeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jun 17, 2015 at 12:59:21 pm

[Aaron Star] "The 5770, 6970, 7970, R9 270x would probably be your best match for an i7-860. The 860 memory bandwidth, and CPU will not likely keep up with the 290x."
+1

It's important to keep your components balanced. Buying the latest GPU with an older CPU is not going to benefit you as much as buying a GPU that your CPU can keep up with. The R9 270 or HD 7970 is a good match for your CPU.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
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Michael Chick
Re: adeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jun 20, 2015 at 3:45:04 am

Thanx for taking time to help out.

Sorry, I made a mistake, I have the i7-870 processor (2.93GHz), and not the i7-860. (marginal difference)
I was hoping to put a few more years into the Motherboard and Processor. The only reason for needing to "upgrade" is that when I first specced out this system, I was running .tod files from my JVC HD-7. So, it was more than sufficient. However, these days, I need to edit in P2, sometimes with 1920x1080 footage. I did click on the "use-proxy", and it works fine (kinda), but once I start using Magic Bullet Suite-11, and/or Boris Continuum-9, then it displays maybe one frame every 4-6 seconds. CTRL-R helps, but I'm also having problems with color correction. What shows up (even at BEST FULL) is not what the end-render is.

I typically render only at MC 1280x720 mp4 double-pass at 28,000 upper and 14,000 lower.
With zero plugins, it'll render a 2 minute edit in about 5 minutes, but once all the filters kick in, then it's something like 2.5hours.

My P7P55D LE does not come with USB 3.0, I had to buy a PCie card to get that going.
On the RAM, this motherboard only supports up to 16Gb, of which I already have at 1600 speed.
I do have a 120Gb SSD, so that's one less of a problem.

And yes, I plan to do a fresh Windows install once I change the Display Card. I only use a handful of softwares, so it's not big deal. Plus, the computer always feels more "zippy" whenever I do this.

Last question, the 270X, the 280X or the 290X ?
Of does it matter at all?
(I eventually will change the motherboard and chip, and if I can migrate the display card to the new hardware, then that would be great)

Thank You so much again. You've been very helpful.


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John Rofrano
Re: adeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jun 20, 2015 at 1:15:03 pm

[Michael Chick] "I eventually will change the motherboard and chip, and if I can migrate the display card to the new hardware, then that would be great"
If you are buying for the future then get the 290X. That's what I did. I bought a Quadro 4000 that my original Core 2 Quad really didn't push hard but when I upgraded to a Core i7 years later the Quadro 4000 really worked better. It sounds like you are in a similar situation. It's best to upgrade everything all at once but if you can't, then start buying parts for your next system now knowing that they will perform better in the future when the system is more balanced.

~jr

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Michael Chick
Re: adeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jun 21, 2015 at 2:54:01 am

Thank you so much again. You've all been more than helpful. Yea,sometimes we get into the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it mode". As I mentioned before, I was really happy with my old setup till the 1920x1080 came along. I can live with a slower render, as I can just leave the system on overnight, but having a slow/choppy preview makes it difficult to do a proper edit.


So looks like I'll be heading to the store to pick the TRI-X R9 290 4G D5 up:
http://www.sapphiretech.com/productdetial.asp?pid=5458920E-5359-4004-B041-D...

A followup question would if anyone here has tried using this 290 card for a Hackintosh?

Thanx once again


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Don Cobble
Re: adeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jul 18, 2015 at 1:40:51 am

[Luxmark v2 is a good benchmark test for OpenCL, and verifying that your system is working well with opencl.]

[GPU-z and AMD system monitor are good tools to verify GPU utilization during timeline playback. Test Sony AVC, XDCAM, HDCAM-SR-lite, and XAVC media with effects to verify GPU acceleration in Vegas. Other workflows you will need to determine where the GPU acceleration problems are.]

Aaron I read the entire thread on open cl, I just installed an XFX AMD R9 290 on my PC2 system in place of Quadro k2000. Are you saying that after viewing the stats on the GPU-z for example that you can change settings to make the card more effective? or are these programs just to know the stats? I have seen an improvement on in VP13 for sure, but didn't know, is it to be tweeked?

PC 1
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SSD 850 Pro OS drive
2x 850 EVO Raid 1TB
Win 7 Pro 64bit OS
GeForce GTX 960

PC 2
I7 3930K 3.2Ghz
32 GB Ram
SSD 850 Pro OS drive
2x 850 EVO Raid 1TB
3-4 TB HD
Win 7 Pro 64bit OS
PNY Quadro K2000

Vegas 13 & Adobe Production Premium CS6 & Avid Media Composer 5.5 -Edius 7.5 Pro -Sony Catalyst Production Suite

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Don Cobble
Re: adeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jul 18, 2015 at 11:13:28 pm

[Luxmark v2 is a good benchmark test for OpenCL, and verifying that your system is working well with opencl.]

[GPU-z and AMD system monitor are good tools to verify GPU utilization during timeline playback. Test Sony AVC, XDCAM, HDCAM-SR-lite, and XAVC media with effects to verify GPU acceleration in Vegas. Other workflows you will need to determine where the GPU acceleration problems are.]

Aaron I read the entire thread on open cl, I just installed an XFX AMD R9 290 on my PC2 system in place of Quadro k2000. Are you saying that after viewing the stats on the GPU-z for example that you can change settings to make the card more effective? or are these programs just to know the stats? I have seen an improvement on in VP13 for sure, but didn't know, is it to be tweeked?

PC 1
I7 2.8 Ghz 16GB Ram
SSD 850 Pro OS drive
2x 850 EVO Raid 1TB
Win 7 Pro 64bit OS
GeForce GTX 960

PC 2
I7 3930K 3.2Ghz
32 GB Ram
SSD 850 Pro OS drive
2x 850 EVO Raid 1TB
3-4 TB HD
Win 7 Pro 64bit OS
XFX Radeon R9 290

Vegas 13 & Adobe Production Premium CS6 & -Edius 7.5 Pro -Sony Catalyst Production Suite

Camera
Sony EX1 shoot in 1920x1080 30P


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Jeff Bauer
Re: adeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jun 19, 2015 at 3:51:58 pm

I have the R9 290 running on an X99 platform. With respect to the quote you provide, I can say that I DO see a rendering performance improvement when using GPU acceleration with the SONY AVC codec. I DO NOT see an improvement when using the MainConcept AVC codec however.

Jeff

Vegas Pro 13; Windows 7 64 bit; i7-5960X; ASUS Rampage V Extreme; 32 GB 2133 RAM; Radeon R9 290


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John Rofrano
Re: adeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jun 19, 2015 at 10:35:26 pm

[Jeff Bauer] "I DO NOT see an improvement when using the MainConcept AVC codec however."
That's to be expected. The MainConcept AVC encoder won't use any card newer than the Radeon HD 6000 series. My Radeon HD 7950 doesn't work with it and any R9 2xx will not work with it. My Radeon HD 5870 worked great however.

~jr

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Michael Chick
Re: adeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jun 21, 2015 at 9:29:39 am
Last Edited By Michael Chick on Jun 21, 2015 at 9:44:13 am

Bummer, I went to the store and found out that the Tri-X Sapphire 290X Card was out of stock, but I guess it was a "Blessing in Disguise". The Sapphire Tri-X card is 305mm long, while the space available in my Case is only 295mm. The store clerk asked me to also consider the ASUS R9 290X DirectCU II OC. It is 287mm in length. Anyone has any experience between these two cards?

This website seems to suggest a marginal advantage of the ASUS Card, because it comes "overclocked" from the factory....
http://www.legitreviews.com/asus-r9-290x-directcu-ii-sapphire-r9-290x-tri-x...

Thanx again.

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John Rofrano
Re: adeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jun 21, 2015 at 12:00:45 pm

[Michael Chick] "The Sapphire Tri-X card is 305mm long, while the space available in my Case is only 295mm."
The other thing you need to be aware of is if your Power Supply Unit (PSU) can handle the newer cards. Most newer graphics cards require two (2) power connectors and if your PSU only has one you won't be able to feed it power. Also, newer cards are power hungry! Some require 230+ watts of power just for themselves.

The Radeon R9 290X specifies that it requires 750W (minimum) PSU in it's System Requirements. So if you have a paltry 500W PSU, you will may not be able to run this card. This is what I mean about keeping components balanced. Check all of the specs before you buy.

~jr

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Michael Chick
Re: adeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jun 22, 2015 at 5:14:20 pm

Thanx for the headsup again.
Yes, I changed the case a few years ago, and had the MasterCooler GX750 installed. (pix of box here:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/cms/include/image.php?src=/images/cases/psu-550w-85...

And as size limits what I can actually fit into the case, the ASUS R9290-DC2OC-4GD5
only requires up to 300W additional 6+8 pin PCIe power required.
( from their website: https://www.asus.com/Graphics_Cards/R9290DC2OC4GD5/specifications/ )

Am so glad I checked in with you all here. You're such a great repository of information.

Gosh, I just noticed something else. Would this PCIE-3 card make a difference when I use it on my PCIE-2 Motherboard, or would it perform no different from my previous Card? ( the ASUS GTX 460 )
Sorry for so many questions.....

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John Rofrano
Re: adeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jun 23, 2015 at 12:46:10 pm

[Michael Chick] "Would this PCIE-3 card make a difference when I use it on my PCIE-2 Motherboard, or would it perform no different from my previous Card? ( the ASUS GTX 460 )"
It would probably make no difference. That is to say, you won't get the benefit of PCIe-3 but it will be no worse than any other PCIe-2 card.

~jr

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Michael Chick
Re: adeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jun 26, 2015 at 2:46:22 am

I see. Thanx. That being said, then would it make sense to buy the ASUS 390 card at this juncture then?
My primary problem, which triggered all these questions was that I was have "stuttering problems" trying to view the 1920x1080 P2 Footage in Sony Vegas 13 to begin with. Or would it make more sense to just keep pressing Shift+B to get a decent playback; enough to make the edits for the time being anyway....

Thanx again

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John Rofrano
Re: adeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jun 26, 2015 at 11:37:32 am

[Michael Chick] " That being said, then would it make sense to buy the ASUS 390 card at this juncture then?"
Assuming the card physically fits into your computer case, and your PSU has enough power to support it, and you can afford the price, I don't see why not.
[Michael Chick] "My primary problem, which triggered all these questions was that I was have "stuttering problems" trying to view the 1920x1080 P2 Footage in Sony Vegas 13 to begin with."
If you would like to upload a small sample of your P2 footage I would be happy to test it with my Radeon HD 7950 which is similar too the R9 280 to see if it plays back smoothly. You can use DropBox or something if the file is too big to upload here.

~jr

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Michael Chick
Re: adeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jun 28, 2015 at 10:29:38 pm

Sorry, a combination of being overly busy, coupled with the flu over the past few days. (No, definitely not MERS) Will shoot a few seconds of P2, and send it over via dropbox. Need to head out to work right now.
In the meantime, please have a look at one of my older projects here:






Thanx again

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Michael Chick
Re: adeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jul 20, 2015 at 6:41:22 am

Sorry, was on assignment in Cambodia for a week.
Here's the short MXF Clip sample:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xfmzc3unacjyed2/TEST.MXF?dl=0

Please let me know if it plays smoothly on your VideoCard.
Thanx

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ASUS GTX-460
SoundBlaster XiFi
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John Rofrano
Re: adeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jul 20, 2015 at 3:28:19 pm

[Michael Chick] "Please let me know if it plays smoothly on your VideoCard."
I'm not at my Mac Pro right now so I only have my MacBook Pro laptop to test with and I'm running Vegas Pro in a VMware Fusion virtual machine with no GPU acceleration and I got a smooth 25 fps in Vegas Pro 12.0 on Good (Full) and Best (Full). Interesting is if I used Good (Auto) it dropped the frame rate to about 21 fps. What is even stranger is that the video was corrupt in Vegas Pro 13.0!

I'll have to test again when I get back to my Mac Pro because on that I can boot Windows 7 native and really test my AMD Radeon HD 7950 graphics card. But for now, it plays back smoothly in Vegas Pro 12 with no graphics card support.

~jr

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Michael Chick
Re: adeon R9 290 video card and Vegas Pro 13
on Jul 25, 2015 at 12:37:46 am

Thanx. As I've said many times before, I do not like the P2 format.....

Anyway, how did you get the footage to run on Vegas 12?
I didn't know that it could handle the P2 format, or did you use a plug-in ?

Thanx

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ASUS GTX-460
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