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Rick Anvican
Sony DV/Cineform codec conflict in project?
on Jul 5, 2014 at 1:00:13 pm

Hi all,
I'm dealing with a project that is using (well, trying to use) footage both sourced in the Sony DV and Cineform codecs, for some reason when both DV and Cineform footage are placed on the timeline, during playback, Vegas(12 b770 x64 on Win7) hangs and Resource Monitor says that Vegas threads are in waiting status or sometimes not responding. Can someone please confirm this? The DV footage plays fine in the timeline if the Cineform footage is absent from the project. I can also use DV at the same time with Lagarith, MPEG1/2/4, etc, maybe the two don't mix?

Thanks in advance,
RickAVC


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John Rofrano
Re: Sony DV/Cineform codec conflict in project?
on Jul 5, 2014 at 4:28:56 pm

[Rick Anvican] "The DV footage plays fine in the timeline if the Cineform footage is absent from the project. I can also use DV at the same time with Lagarith, MPEG1/2/4, etc, maybe the two don't mix?"
You didn't say how well the project plays with just CineForm footage on the timeline. Perhaps it's an issue with the CineForm codec? There are several versions of the codec and not all of them work with Vegas Pro 12.0.

~jr

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Steve Rhoden
Re: Sony DV/Cineform codec conflict in project?
on Jul 5, 2014 at 4:50:09 pm

Whats the specific problem when you have only the Cineform on the timeline?

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Rick Anvican
Re: Sony DV/Cineform codec conflict in project?
on Jul 6, 2014 at 8:23:55 am

Hi John, Steve,
if either DV or Cineform footage are on the timeline, they play full speed on Best(Full), cineform version is 2.0.1.319, if both formats are on the timeline, even if the events are muted, Vegas would hang during playback.

RickAVC


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Steve Rhoden
Re: Sony DV/Cineform codec conflict in project?
on Jul 6, 2014 at 1:05:28 pm

Well if thats the situation, no workaround is gonna make Cineform
behave any better. So converting them into another format then
dropping them in Vegas is one solution.
Or you can try download and install the free GoPro Studio Edit Software
which includes an updated Cineform Codec, and see if things behave better.
http://gopro.com/software-app/gopro-studio-edit-software

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Rick Anvican
Re: Sony DV/Cineform codec conflict in project?
on Jul 6, 2014 at 1:22:32 pm

I guess conversion is probably the more realistic solution, but I'll try the updated codec to see if it works. Initially I thought it was the Panasonic DV codec causing the problem but it wasn't, anyway thanks Steve,

RickAVC


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John Rofrano
Re: Sony DV/Cineform codec conflict in project?
on Jul 6, 2014 at 5:47:26 pm

[Rick Anvican] "if either DV or Cineform footage are on the timeline, they play full speed on Best(Full), cineform version is 2.0.1.319, if both formats are on the timeline, even if the events are muted, Vegas would hang during playback."
I can have DV and CineForm AVI files on the timeline in Vegas Pro 12.0 Build 770 without any problems at all. It doesn't matter which one I add first, the other always works. I'm using the CineForm codec that comes with NeoScene HD 5.6.2. I have no other GoPro software on my system.

~jr

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Rick Anvican
Re: Sony DV/Cineform codec conflict in project?
on Jul 7, 2014 at 3:11:19 am

John, nice to know one version of the Cineform codec that works with DV, Neoscene HD doesn't seem to be around anymore, do you know if there is a place to download your particular version? Thanks,

RickAVC


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John Rofrano
Re: Sony DV/Cineform codec conflict in project?
on Jul 7, 2014 at 12:35:49 pm

[Rick Anvican] "do you know if there is a place to download your particular version?"
Unfortunately not and it's a shame how CineForm was so close with Sony and now it's so shaky. Mine is an old version that I bought just before GoPro bought them. I would contact Go Pro and ask them what version of CineForm that they currently sell is compatible with Vegas Pro 12.0 and have them help you.

You might want to try uninstalling the Panasonic DV codec. Vegas Pro doesn't need it and there is a 50/50 chance that it's the problem as well.

~jr

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Rick Anvican
Re: Sony DV/Cineform codec conflict in project?
on Jul 7, 2014 at 2:08:10 pm

I've tried uninstalling the Panasonic DV codec and it seems to have no effect on the issue, I use this codec in Virtualdub for encoding, I'll try the Cineform codec in the latest GoPro Studio and see how that goes, thanks for the tip John,

RickAVC


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John Rofrano
Re: Sony DV/Cineform codec conflict in project?
on Jul 8, 2014 at 10:54:09 am

Sorry none of that worked. Good luck and let us know what finally works.

~jr

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Rick Anvican
Re: Sony DV/Cineform codec conflict in project?
on Jul 10, 2014 at 1:06:59 pm

I tried the latest go-pro studio without luck, looks like re-encoding will do.
I trying to render the project now in computer rgb levels (I would have used sRGB but some effects I'm using are glitching during render at sRGB and not cRGB even with GPU acceleration turned off on both vegas and the effect itself) with the Cineform codec but I can't seem to configure that in Vegas, I heard that an older version of the codec has the levels setting available in Vegas.


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John Rofrano
Re: Sony DV/Cineform codec conflict in project?
on Jul 11, 2014 at 12:43:01 am

[Rick Anvican] "I heard that an older version of the codec has the levels setting available in Vegas."
The older version does but it's not free. At least not the version I have (NeoScene). Sorry it didn't work out for you.

~jr

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Rick Anvican
Re: Sony DV/Cineform codec conflict in project?
on Jul 11, 2014 at 12:56:09 am

That's ok, I'll try to render to another codec that supports cRGB levels, probably DNxHD, I'm rendering 1080i, besides DNxHD, any other intermediary codecs I can try that support cRGB levels? Thanks,

RickAVC


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