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Morgan Lewis
Having an issue inserting transitions
on May 17, 2014 at 5:12:42 pm

I'm not entirely sure what I'm doing wrong here, I've had no issues putting in transitions before on my old Windows XP install, I'm now on Windows 7 and the 64 bit version of Vegas I was previously using (Pro 10c).

Before to put in a transition, I made a split, or joined together two videos if they were seperate to begin with, and drag and drop the transition between them, sometimes I had to attach it to both ends of the video so they'd connect, and it would be done.

Now, although I just made it work in one project, it's not doing it for this one which uses the same files.. I have my split event but the transition isn't showing up, and oddly, when I super-zoom in, the transition is only on one of the tracks, not overlapping like it should. The videos are snapping together like they should, I don't know what's going on but it's very frustrating.


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John Rofrano
Re: Having an issue inserting transitions
on May 17, 2014 at 5:32:00 pm

[Morgan Lewis] "The videos are snapping together like they should, I don't know what's going on but it's very frustrating."
Actually the videos should not be snapped together. They should be overlapping each other for the duration of the transition. What you need to do is move the right-side video over the left to make them overlap. This will create the default crossfade. Once you have done that, then drop the transition on the overlapping part.

~jr

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Morgan Lewis
Re: Having an issue inserting transitions
on May 17, 2014 at 5:34:51 pm
Last Edited By Morgan Lewis on May 17, 2014 at 5:54:12 pm

That just confuses me even more as I've been doing it the way I said for a while now, the problem is I can't 'really' overlap because then the audio will overlap, or moving the video will make the audio desync, unless I'm just not quite understanding your solution?

As an example I just tried making a new split event elsewhere, just dragged the transition into it and it works, but this existing split doesn't seem to want to do anything.


Also on a side note, transitions lag in my preview window, I suppose that's just a hardware thing? I have a decent enough i5 quad core and 4 gigs of ram.


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John Rofrano
Re: Having an issue inserting transitions
on May 17, 2014 at 6:15:28 pm

[Morgan Lewis] "As an example I just tried making a new split event elsewhere, just dragged the transition into it and it works, but this existing split doesn't seem to want to do anything."
OK, I see what you are doing. Allow me to explain what's going on when a transition is made:

A transition is made from frames of video from both events. If you trim an event (i.e., remove frames that you don't want) and you snap two trimmed events together and drop a transition between them, Vegas will take the frames that you trimmed off and use them to make the transition. So the transition is created from frames you trimmed because you didn't want them.

If you did not trim the event and you snap two events together and drop a transition between them, Vegas will behave in several different ways. If the events have looping turned on, Vegas will create the transition using media from the beginning of the event. In effect, your video will start over from the beginning during the transition. If you have looping tuned off, then Vegas will having nothing to work with and only add the transition to the right-hand event and nothing to the left one.

This may be what you are experiencing. Make sure that you have looping turned on in your event properties. Understand that a transition needs frames of video from both events.

~jr

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Morgan Lewis
Re: Having an issue inserting transitions
on May 17, 2014 at 6:32:29 pm

Oh I see... it's using the deleted frames. Up until now I've only ever used a transition if I had to cut a part of a video out for recording breaks and the like, interesting.

So if I actually wanted to put a transition between two seperate videos, that had not been trimmed or anything... how would this work since overlapping would also overlap the audio?


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John Rofrano
Re: Having an issue inserting transitions
on May 17, 2014 at 7:11:30 pm

[Morgan Lewis] "So if I actually wanted to put a transition between two seperate videos, that had not been trimmed or anything... how would this work since overlapping would also overlap the audio?"
It wouldn't work. That's the whole point. You could overlap the video and then use Ignore Event Grouping to trim the audio back so that its a audio cut instead of a cross-fade. You would be trimming the audio at that point. I don't low if that an acceptable solution.

~jr

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Morgan Lewis
Re: Having an issue inserting transitions
on May 17, 2014 at 7:41:36 pm

Well I hope I don't want to do that in the near future then as I don't understand how people can even use transitions that way if their video has audio since it'll end up making a weird audio overlap during the cross event.

But either way thanks for trying to explain, I at least get why my split event transitions work now.


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John Rofrano
Re: Having an issue inserting transitions
on May 18, 2014 at 1:04:01 am

[Morgan Lewis] "Well I hope I don't want to do that in the near future then as I don't understand how people can even use transitions that way if their video has audio since it'll end up making a weird audio overlap during the cross event."
That's actually very desirable. The reason there are two events is because you probably have two videos representing two scenes that were recorded at two different times so the audio is liable to not fit together and having it smoothly fade from one audio to the next makes it less noticeable.

If you are recording separate videos I would suggest that you start recording earlier and stop recording later so that you leave video and audio at the beginning and ending of your scene to use for trimming and transitions.

If you are splitting single videos in the middle and adding transitions then that's a very odd thing to be doing. A transition is a movement from one scene to the next, not something you do in the middle of a scene.

~jr

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Morgan Lewis
Re: Having an issue inserting transitions
on May 18, 2014 at 8:28:20 am

Well when I said audio I also ment the possibility of commentary tracks overlapping, not just background music and whatnot, even with a fade, having words splice together can't be a pretty outcome.

I'll make sure if I know in advance that I want something to transition to leave it recording for an extra minute or so, I usually tend to have cuttable stuff at the beginning of videos too.

I'll keep everything you've said in mind, it gives me less of a headache now I've slept on it. :)


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John Rofrano
Re: Having an issue inserting transitions
on May 18, 2014 at 12:09:26 pm

[Morgan Lewis] "Well when I said audio I also ment the possibility of commentary tracks overlapping, not just background music and whatnot, even with a fade, having words splice together can't be a pretty outcome."
Why would you overlap commentary tracks? We're talking about overlapping video. If you are adding transitions while someone is talking I assume it's to select a different camera angle and so you would only use the video from one camera with the audio from the other underneath for continuity. You could also use Ignore Event Grouping as a pointed out earlier and let the commentary audio continue under the new video until you reach a silent point where you could make a clean cut. This is referred to as an L-Cut because the video and audio form the shape of an L like below:


[Morgan Lewis] "I'll make sure if I know in advance that I want something to transition to leave it recording for an extra minute or so, I usually tend to have cuttable stuff at the beginning of videos too."
We're talking seconds not minutes. Usually a transition is 1 second long. When you shoot, you always start recording before the action and continue recording after it. This is just basic recording technique for a a piece that will be edited. Always leave yourself handles to trim.
[Morgan Lewis] "I'll keep everything you've said in mind, it gives me less of a headache now I've slept on it. :)"
Sleep is a good thing if you can get it. ;-) I often step a way from problems and the answers come to me while I'm off doing something else.

The bottom line is that this is how transitions work in every NLE. If you use Expanded Track Layers from the Track Header, you will see what's going on when you add a transition. This might help you understand the concept better:



~jr

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Morgan Lewis
Re: Having an issue inserting transitions
on May 18, 2014 at 2:13:34 pm

I only mentioned overlapping commentary because what I'm primarily working with are 'Let's Play' projects that I do with my cousin, and because of that the commentary track 'cannot' be moved from where it's synced with the video, otherwise the video game audio in the video, and the video game audio in the commentary track won't match, so in this case if I overlap videos I 'have' to overlap audio where I'm talking.


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Bob Peterson
Re: Having an issue inserting transitions
on May 18, 2014 at 2:28:43 pm

I sometimes have the need to remove extraneous parts of a video, and want to avoid a "jump" in the image between the end of one part I'm keeping and the start of a second part. In those cases, I fade the video down so it goes to black, leave a gap, and then fade the video back up again. I fill the gap with black generated media.


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John Rofrano
Re: Having an issue inserting transitions
on May 18, 2014 at 3:58:33 pm

[Morgan Lewis] " the commentary track 'cannot' be moved from where it's synced with the video, otherwise the video game audio in the video, and the video game audio in the commentary track won't match, so in this case if I overlap videos I 'have' to overlap audio where I'm talking."
It sounds like you are making transitions in the middle of a video just for the sake of making a transition which is not the normal way that people use them. You'll have to get creative. Maybe make them on a track above the video using a copy of the media so that the original video continues to flow.

~jr

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